Yugoslavia have nice arsenal 8 aircraft and 13 Tanks from world War 1 to the modern date
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It would be nice, but beside M-84 and M-80, all other vehicles we already have in other nations.
Also, there wouls be not enough vehicles to populate tech tree and it would be a little bit stupid to see some imaginary or vehicles which were only prototype.
What we had, FT-17, some Italian made tankets, before WWII.
After, T-34-85, M4, T-54 and 55. OK there was some our modifications of T-55 but basically, same vehicle.
Only what we produced M-60, which could be BR 6 and M-80, which could be in BR 7. M-84, Which is basically T-72 or little better, like T-72M.
As AA, we had Foka (I think) and Praga (M53/59), ZSUs.
Maybe something from recent era, but they are at prototype level. Only NORA and SORA could be interesting as SPG.
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This could be a good subtree for the Russian tech tree
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jugoslavija + turkey (this may or may not be ragebait)
Russia doesn’t need a tech tree
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I’d add it to France if anything
I would do no such thing it has potential to be its own tech tree especially due to the fact it has a lot of unique designs and putting it under any tree could cause political issues
I mean, I’m not against the idea of a Yugoslav tree, I’m actually in favor of it in principle. But if it’s not viable as a tree unto itself, it has to go somewhere if we want it added to the game, right?
why would it not be viable
Personally I think it could work. Other people disagree. But that’d be my second choice to see Yugoslavia in the game.
Tbh, from everything I’ve seen, most people want Yugoslavia to be its own nation, with the option of having other nations in it too.
Lots of actual Ex-Yugo nation players agree with that too, me included. It being added to USSR (or any other current nation) does not make sense. Especially for the USSR.
One could just take a glance just viewing the vehicles, and then assume “oh they should go to USSR because their vehicles are similar”, despite them being made here, original or licensed and usually modified (unless you are going to cherrypick, same of which can be done to almost every nation). This, along with their history together after WW2, just makes them make less sense.
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Imo, the Yugoslav vehicles should go to a combined Central European tech tree, since Gaijin had already teased a new independent tech tree, may as well contribute their contents alongside Bulgarian, Romanian, Czech, Slovak, Ukrainian and Polish vehicles respectively to form something of a playable agglomeration of niche vehicles alongside familiar ones. Just an idea, I wish to hear what other people think about this.
Already a sub tree to Italy
I suppose, but the Merkavas were also initially only available in the American TT(event tanks, iirc), furthermore, the Hungarian vehicles are classed as a subtree as of this time, Romanian vehicles are only dotted here and there as stand alone premiums (or in the case of the Vultur as an event vehicle).
Still a sub tree though in Gaijin’s eyes 🤷
Eitherway, such a nation tree can make due even without them, though I do think it’d be neat.
Tbf Yugoslavia has enough vehicles and vehicle types to be a fully fledged TT without being a sub tree however something like bulgaria would do nicely as a sub tree for it
I think however where it may struggle a bit is top tier unless it was to include post break up nations which would be a bit of C&P
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Yugoslavia should be the tree with possible integrations of Bulgaria/Romania/Albania later on
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France is a full-fledged NATO member, and it was precisely NATO that blatantly and brazenly launched air strikes on Belgrade, the capital of Yugoslavia, during the 1999 Kosovo War. Given this indelible historical fact, Yugoslavia can never align with any NATO-aligned country in the game
J16d, I disagree with you and I would like to suggest the addition of Yugoslavia and Serbia as a subtree within the French technology tree. I posted this in another discussion about the J-22 Orao but such a placement would provide France with a wide and unique selection of vehicles across all branches while also accurately reflecting more than a century of continuous military, industrial, and technological cooperation between France, Serbia, and Yugoslavia.
Although Yugoslavia is often associated with Soviet equipment due to its Cold War positioning, its military history was far more diverse and included deep and long-standing ties with France. From the Kingdom of Serbia through Yugoslavia and into modern Serbia, French influence has played a major role in procurement, engine development, avionics, armored vehicle design, and defense-industrial cooperation.
Historical Military Cooperation
The military relationship between France and Serbia predates Yugoslavia itself. During the First World War, France was one of Serbia’s closest allies, providing critical military and logistical support. This alliance laid the foundation for long-term cooperation in the decades that followed.
In the interwar period, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (later the Kingdom of Yugoslavia) maintained strong ties with France and became a significant operator of French military equipment.
Key examples include:
Renault FT tanks
Renault R35 tanks
Peugeot armored vehicles
French artillery systems
Various French military technologies and equipment
French doctrine and equipment had a significant influence on the development of Yugoslav armed forces during this period.
French Influence on Yugoslav Aviation
French influence was especially important in Yugoslav aviation development.
The Ikarus IK-3, one of Yugoslavia’s most advanced indigenous fighters, was powered by a French Hispano-Suiza engine. The post-war Ikarus S-49 also continued this trend, using Hispano-Suiza powerplants.
These aircraft demonstrate that Yugoslavia was not simply importing French equipment but integrating French technology into its own domestic aircraft industry.
Cold War Cooperation
Despite Yugoslavia’s non-aligned status after World War II, cooperation with France remained significant.
Several key Yugoslav programs highlight this relationship:
The BVP M-80A infantry fighting vehicle incorporated design philosophies closer to the French AMX-10 family than to Soviet BMP designs.
The Soko J-22 Orao attack aircraft used the French Thomson-CSF VE-120T head-up display and was conceptually influenced by the SEPECAT Jaguar in its multirole ground-attack role.
One of the clearest examples of cooperation was the licensed production of the SA-341 Gazelle helicopter in Yugoslavia, which became a cornerstone of Yugoslav rotary-wing aviation.
Mirage 2000 and the Novi Avion Program
Cooperation reached its peak in the 1980s.
Yugoslavia seriously evaluated the Dassault Mirage 2000 before ultimately selecting the MiG-29. At the same time, France supported the development of the Novi Avion program.
The Novi Avion was intended to be a modern fourth-generation multirole fighter and incorporated significant French technological influence. It has often been described as conceptually similar to a single-engine Dassault Rafale.
This represented a true engineering partnership rather than a simple buyer-seller relationship.
Continuity Between Yugoslavia and Modern Serbia
When discussing modern Serbia in this proposal, it is important to clarify its role as the primary successor to the Yugoslav defense industry.
Following the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia retained most of the major defense companies, engineering institutes, production facilities, and development programs. As a result, modern Serbian military equipment represents a direct continuation of Yugoslav engineering and industrial traditions.
Modern Serbian vehicles and systems should therefore be understood as part of the same historical and technological lineage rather than as a separate development path.
Modern Serbian-French Military Cooperation
Military cooperation between Serbia and France continues in the modern era and is reflected in multiple defense systems and modernization programs.
Examples include:
Hispano-Suiza automatic cannons produced under license in Serbia
Texelis driveline and suspension components used in the M16 Miloš and Lazar 3 armored vehicle families
Safran technologies integrated into Serbian defense systems
French components used in the PASARS-16 short-range air defense system
French technologies incorporated into the M-84AS2 and M-84AS3 main battle tank upgrades
The J-22M1A Orao modernization package, which includes a French Safran navigation system as part of its updated avionics suite
The inclusion of French systems in the modernized J-22M1A Orao is particularly significant, as it demonstrates the continuation of French technological influence in a Yugoslav-designed combat aircraft well into the modern era.
Contributions From Other Former Yugoslav Republics
While Serbia represents the primary continuation of the Yugoslav defense industry, a Yugoslav subtree could also include contributions from other former Yugoslav republics.
Croatia could contribute systems such as Patria AMV variants, M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, upgraded domestic armored vehicles, and naval assets suitable for expanding the tech tree’s naval capabilities.
Slovenia could also provide additional Patria-based vehicles and domestically operated systems that would increase variety and depth.
These contributions would complement the subtree without changing its historical foundation in French-Yugoslav cooperation.
Why France Is the Most Logical Placement
A Yugoslav and Serbian subtree would be both historically justified and highly beneficial for gameplay diversity.
France is the most appropriate placement because:
France was one of Serbia’s key allies during World War I.
Yugoslavia operated extensive French military equipment during the interwar period.
French engines and technology were critical to Yugoslav aviation development.
Cold War cooperation between France and Yugoslavia remained strong and consistent.
Yugoslavia licensed and produced French systems such as the Gazelle helicopter.
France participated in advanced aerospace cooperation including the Novi Avion program.
Modern Serbia continues to integrate French systems into its military equipment.
The J-22M1A Orao modernization demonstrates ongoing French influence in Serbian aviation.
Serbia represents the primary continuation of the Yugoslav defense industry.
Additional Yugoslav successor states could further expand the subtree while maintaining historical coherence.
Conclusion
The military relationship between France, Serbia, and Yugoslavia spans more than a century and includes alliance, procurement, licensed production, industrial cooperation, and modern technological integration.
From Renault FT tanks and Hispano-Suiza engines to the Gazelle helicopter, the Novi Avion program, and the modern J-22M1A Orao upgrade featuring Safran navigation systems, this relationship has remained consistent across multiple historical eras.
Adding Yugoslavia and Serbia as a subtree under France would significantly enrich the game while accurately reflecting one of the most enduring and multifaceted military-industrial relationships in European history.
Thank you for your consideration.