New systems revealed at Partner 2023 so far!
Air defence system “HARPAS”, with twin 40mm autocannons and four RLN missiles of different variants.
Nora B-52 NG “Perun” artillery system, a new variant of Nora B-52 that aims to further mechanize the loading and firing process of this vehicle.
It will be looked into whether these can be added to either big or realistic trees, so keep your eyes peeled for the next update!
So even more things from Partner 2023
And interesting IFV
Another new goodies from Partner 2023 expo. A new variant of the M-84 with beefed up ERA and FCS.
Thank you for the input!
The Lazanski is already present in the tree, but the new PASARS-16 variant will be looked into.
An SPAA with an ATGM is… unorthodox to say the least.
The M-84AS2 is already present in the tree, but thank you for your consideration!
agreed
Partner 2023 recap
I’m not quite sure whether these are rumors or facts as of now, but alongside the HQ-17A there is also talk of the FK-2000, since the three ordered Pantsir batteries likely aren’t arriving any time soon.
Slovenia is also eyeing the purchase of the IRIS air defense system, will post photos/sources when or if they actually buy them ( as a slovene is should have a somewhat fast way of getting that info)
Twin Bofors plus quad SAMs looks like a great addition to a potential Yugo tree.
idk if u know but in my opinion lazar 3M should be removed or at least that particular prototype with russian turret be put in unused because its not gonna have it we all know why (russia’s “special military operation”) so because of that Serbs dont think those turrets are coming any time soon or if ever. Now Lazar 3M is gonna have new domestically produced zastava m12 30mm cannon with NATO (30x173mm) with two mounted ATGMs on the right (those serbian super malyutkas i forgot their name) and a grenade launcher.Turret looks super cool imo better for the game anyways than that russian turret.
So far we haven’t seen an alternative turret for the Lazar 3M, so for the time being this will be the one presented in the tree.
DUBS-20 and DUBS-30 has yet to be mounted on Lazar 3, though we have seen them successfully integrated on the BVP M-80AB2, so either these turrets or other foreign alternatives can be expected.
Another stuff revealed at Partner 2023 is the “Gvozdika-Carnation”, a modernized 2S1 with modern FCS and inertial navigation system. Given that we already have 2S1 in-game, this would be an easy addition into the game since it is essentially the 2S1 with much faster FCS.
When the Unused Vehicles list for Tank Destroyers gets expanded on with information and images it will be added there, since we feel there are more unique options available at a similar BR.
a Yugoslav subtree in the Russian tree would be more appropriate
I would like to hear why you think so, as Yugoslavia is arguably the least sensible of all Eastern-European nations to add as a USSR sub-tree (which I think is a redundant, unnecessary and arguably unrealistic idea in the first place).
The problems with that are A) a large part of Yugoslav equipment is Western vehicles or uses Western components, which have nothing to do with the USSR and would dilute the character of tech trees even more, and B) as cool as Yugoslav vehicles are, there is practically zero gaps or niches in the Soviet tree that can’t be filled by actually Soviet vehicles.
For sure a very good idea, plenty of interesting vehicles that essentially fill all the roles, with the ones that are empty being able to be filled with exports from different nations. Seeing the modern weapon systems coming out of nations like Serbia, etc being implemented likewise gives a steady stream of future vehicles.
Large update!
If there are any questions as to why certain changes were made, then feel free to ask!
Updated Names
To increase the uniformity in the presented trees, user Thanosaekk and I have made an effort to make the names of our presented vehicles as similar as possible.
Here is the list of changes:
Big Tree:
BOV-1 → POLO M-83
BOV-1 (2016) → POLO M-83M
BOV-3 FAGOT → BOV-3 9K111
Brko → M8 Brko
BVP M-80AB1 (2016) → BVP M-80AB1
BVP M-80AB1 (2020) → BVP M-80AB2
Jpz.38 → Jagdpanzer 38(t)
Lazar 3 BPPU → Lazar 3 (MB2) (TKM)
M-44 → SO-100 M-44
M-84AS1 (2017) → M-84AS1 (e)
M-84AS1 (2020) → M-84AS1 (l)
(UNUSED) M-91-84 → Vihor/M-84
M-91 Vihor → Vihor
M-95 Degman I → M-95 Degman (e)
M-95 Degman II → M-95 Degman (l)
M3A1 → Stuart III
M3A3 → Stuart V
M18 → SO-76
M18 FAP → SO-76 FAP
M47 Patton II → M47
(UNUSED) PASARS-16 RLN → PASARS-16 (l)
R35 → R.35
SAVA M-90 → M-90 Sava
SLRS S-10CRO A1 → S-10CROA1
SO-76 M-18 → T-55/M18
Stuart (Flakvierling 38) → Stuart (Flakv 38)
Š-I-d → Š-I-D
T-34-76 (1942) → T-34 (1942)
T-55AI Igman → T-55A Igman
U.O. 139 → M15/Pz.38(t)
Realistic Tree:
Lazar 3A1 → Lazar 3M
Lazanski ACV → BVP Lazanski
M-84AS1 → M-84AS1 (l)
M8/20 → M8 “Brko”
M15/42 738(i) → M15/Pz.38(t)
POLO M-83 (2016) → POLO M-83M
SO-122 M4 → SO-122
Š-I-J → Š-I-j
T-34-85 (1943) → T-34-85 (D-5T)
T-55 (Yu) → T-55A (9M14M)
Vihor (JNA) → Vihor/M-84
BR, tier and vehicle placement changes changes
In accordance with upcoming BR changes that got announced a few days back, some vehicles will be moving up in BR.
As well as this, some vehicles will be changing BR due to having received a second look at their capabilities.
Here is the list of changes:
(UNUSED) 2S1 SPDR: 7.3 → 6.7
B-52 M-21: Moved from Tank Destroyer line to premium
BOV-30: 8.7 → 8.0, Placed after NTV MTU-4M
BVP M-80AB2: Rank VI → Rank VII, 9.3 → 9.7, Placed after BVP M-80AB1
Lazar 3M: 8.3 → 9.0, Foldered with LKOV Valuk
LKOV Valuk: Rank V → Rank VI, 8.3 → 9.0, Placed after Lazar 2
M-634: Rank IV → Rank III, Placed after M4A3E4
M4A3E8: Rank IV → Rank III, Moved from premium to Croatian/Western line, Foldered with M4A3E4
OT M-60PB: Removed from Unused Tank Destroyers
PASARS-16 (l): Removed from tree, Placed in Unused SPAA
S-10CROA1: Rank VII → Rank VI, Placed after M-90 Sava
SO-122: Moved from Tank Destroyer line to Croatian/Western line, Placed after M-634
StuG III G: Rank III → Rank II, Placed behind Sd.Kfz.250 PaK 38
T-55A Igman: 8.7 → 8.3, Moved from Serbian/Eastern line to premium
T-72B1MS: 10.0 → 10.3
Vihor/M-84: Removed from tree, Placed in Unused Medium
New Vehicles for Big Tree
There have been newly revealed vehicles recently, a few of which made it into the Big Tree.
Some older vehicles have been added too and some vehicles that used to be in the tree have been replaced by newer additions.
Here is the list of new additions:
B-52 NG
Tank Destroyers, rank V, B-52 M-15 folder, 6.7, Tank Destroyer
A Nora B-52 with even more levels of automation than the MGS-25.
This vehicle is based on the same MAN chassis that the M-21 is based on.
This vehicle would be uniquely Serbian.
Mobility: 95kph
Armor: Vulnerable to 12.7mm
Crew: 4
Links:
BTR-50S
Light Vehicles, Rank V, 8.3, Light Tank
A BTR-50 that was modified by Serbia into an IFV standard.
This vehicle was geared towards the export market, but found no interest from any buyers.
This vehicle was kept out of the tree due to its redundancy at its BR.
Mobility: 55kph, 20.5hp/t
Armor: Vulnerable to 12.7mm
Crew: 3
Links:
HARPAS
SPAA, rank VII, 11.0, SPAA
An M-84 that got modified to carry a SHORAD turret.
This turret is heavily armed and comes with features such as independent search and tracking radar, as well as systems such as a laser rangefinder and gen III thermals.
This vehicle would be uniquely Serbian.
Mobility: ~60kph, ~18,79hp/t
Armor: hull identical to M-84, turret resistent to 7.92mm
Crew: 2-3
Links:
PASARS-16 NG
SPAA, Rank VII, 10.3, SPAA
The PASARS-16 but with more formidable firepower and independently integrated radars.
This would be the most unique SPAA in game, with it having four radars that all scout a certain angle of the vehicle, having several types of MANPADS at once and also having ATGMs.
This vehicle would be uniquely Serbian.
Mobility: 100kph, 16.5hp/t
Armor: Vulnerable to 12.7mm
Crew: 4
Links: Partner 2023: MTI rolls out new member of Pasars-16 family
New Vehicles for Unused Vehicles list
New vehicles have been added to this list because they were either found and not deemed worthy for the tree or vehicles that have been replaced with new additions.
These can be found in the Unused Vehicles tabs.
Here is the list of new additions:
HMMWV Fagot: Unused Tank Destroyer, Deemed redundant, Uniquely Serbian on USA hull
HMMWV Kornet: Unused Tank Destroyer, Deemed redundant, Uniquely Serbian on USA hull
HMMWV Spike: Unused Tank Destroyer, Deemed redundant, Uniquely Slovenian on USA hull
PASARS-16 (l): Unused SPAA, Replaced by PASARS-16 NG as a researchable, Uniquely Serbian
Vihor/M-84: Unused Medium, Replaced by T-55A Igman as a premium, Uniquely Yugoslavian
New Images and Notes
The most minor changes.
A note was added to specify that the used and unused vehicle lists are based on the big tree and that Thanosaekks vehicles can be read on in his external link.
The tree images were all updated to suit the BR and name changes
