Also, my dude. If you are including North Macedonia you might wanna include T-72A and BMP-2.
I disagree, the point of standalone tech trees is that they are unique especially in places where they can be.
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I agree that the Macedonian T-72A may be unnecessary; however, the BMP-2 could be a worthwhile addition, especially since no other Yugoslav nation used it.
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Again, it is not unique to Yugoslavia.
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Well then delete maybe 80% of that tree.
Besides, the dude clearly said North Macedonia is included. Aside, from T-72A and BMP-2 it has nothing else to offer.
Majority of the tree is unique in some way. I disagree with some non unique options yes. As for Unique variants like of T 55 or Sherman or T 34 those are fine. As for Macedonia I do not know what they can offer. I think there was one wheeled unique vehicle.
It’s ultimately up to the suggestion’s author and Gaijin to make any final decisions, my job is to propose ideas.
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Well yes I did not state otherwise. It is unfortunate though how Gaijin treats the tech trees recently will all of the copy-paste vehicles across the nations and we can voice our disagreement or agreements on here or any appropriate platform. I did not say either of authors did a bad job. They both clearly did a really good research and it shows they put a lot of time and energy into it.
Kudos to that.
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On the topic of North Macedonian ground vehicles, they operated a somewhat unique variant of the T-55A. After the 2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia, 35 of their T-55A tanks were sent to Ukraine for modernization to the T-55AM-1 standard. However, only a partial upgrade was carried out. The tanks received an improved fire control system (FCS), a new engine, newly installed wiring, smoke grenade launchers, and rubber side skirts, but they did not receive the planned add-on armor package. Shortly after their return to the Republic of Macedonia, all but one of the modernized tanks were scrapped. The sole surviving tank is now displayed in front of the Tetovo barracks. While this modernization isn’t as unique as the Slovenian or Serbian, I believe it still makes for a better candidate for the Tech Tree than a copy-paste T-72A or BMP-2.
Only a single source exists and it’s a Paluba forum page:
The sight looks the same as original so I’m not sure if the vehicles actually received new FCS
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That is excellent news : D.
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Wasn’t there also a North Macedonian patrol boat?
I tried looking for info on it but couldn’t find anything
Do you mean Type 301 patrol boats? They were built at the Naval Technical Repair Institute (RMTZ) “Sava Kovačević” in Tivat, Yugoslavia. They were part of the lake company and served as lake border patrol boats on Lake Skadar (PČ-301, PČ-302), Lake Ohrid (PČ-303, PČ-304) and Lake Prespa (PČ-305, PČ-306). I don’t think they received any unique modifications in Macedonian service.
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Darn, thanks for the info, only way I could see it added as maybe a premium.
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If you are looking for a truly unique vehicle, then some of the very first T-72s delivered to Yugoslavia were actually the very first T-72 Ural (Object 172M) - The original T-72 tank with “fish gills”.
According to the author of the video linked below, the tank was referred to as the “OR-1”, while the version with rubber skirts was called the “OR-2”. Both lacked smoke launchers and likely used the older TPD-2-49 sight. This leads me to believe the author may have misidentified the vehicle as a T-72M, when it was more likely a T-72 Ural.
P.S The video in question: https://youtu.be/wLQteeCfvNM?si=OekS6bD87Sn-WySf
It will explain every single type of T-72 that was in service with Yugoslavia.
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Again, how is that “Truly unique”? If it is just T 72 Ural.
There is no T-72 Ural in the game.
That Macedonia T-55M is plus/minus a copy paste of the T-55M from Finland. I did not see you complaining.
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if it does get added, it would get added to USSR too no? That makes it not unique. if it was modified in some ways it is unique in those ways.
I genuienly asked what is unique about it. It could be nice addition to premium/event line I suppose no matter the uniqueness.
Majority of the tech tree while not full of Homegrown vehicles has many unique variants which would make vehicles play differently. Changed engines and or cannons/cupolas, armour etc. and I voiced my disagreement already about some copy-paste in tech trees already but as we both agreed, that is the decision of Tech Tree creators.
As for somewhat modified T-55, Yugo_Slav did list some changes done which I think is indeed great news. Greatest addition? no. But Great news none the less.
thank you :).
MiG-21MF was added to the game, but not to the USSR. In many cases this specific jet was flown by Soviet pilots. I can think of a number of other vehicles following the same pattern with Gaijin.
I myself only started grinding the Chinese tree because I wanted to play with the Type-59, which according to you has absolutely nothing unique about it.
T-72 Ural has different optics to the basic T-72s we have in game. Not to mention it has different armor, no smoke launchers and fish gills for side skirts. In my books it is far more unique than that Macedonia T-55M which is essentially a copy paste T-55AM with no armor. And I have absolutely nothing against it being added.
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I am no professional on MiG-21s but as far as I am aware MiG-21MF was export variant? so why would there be a need to put it in USSR tech-tree when they have so many other MiG-21 variants.
As for Type-59 I dunno. If it is unique just in name then yes it has nothing unique about it. I am not an expert on Chinese variants but there could be little things. China is also bad example of uniqueness anyway