You can engage multiple targets at the same time with the Pantsir S1 / Tor-M1 / HQ17

Yes, it is SACLOS.

No(ADATS is laser guided tho), no and no.

No, there are no equivalents afaik.

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Its command guidance, up to 2 or 4 datalink channels in a narrow field of view in front of the vehicle

Its not the same as 360° fire and forget 12.7 SAMs

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So Russia and China are the only 2 nations in the world nowadays to have this technology ?

Because IIR and ARH seekers are better IRL then SACLOS

Its just TWS technology, its widespread tech

Putting it into command guidance SAMs though is more rare since fire and forget is the standard going forward

@Mytho-GR1

Yes but fire and forget missiles can’t hit helicopters with IRCM, it’s the whole point of SAMs with command guidance

Heli’s aren’t the only threat to SAMs

Heli threats are handled by the more point defence layer, systems like the ADATS

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But, can we thus affirm that Russia and China are advantaged ingame at 12.0/12.7 GRB, compared to NATO forces ?

The best 12.7 SAM is the IRIS-T SLM

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Yes, but against IRCM helicopters it cannot do anything

And if there are no SACLOS SPAA in the team, everybody’s dead

While Russia and China can just take Pantsir / Tor / HQ and get the IRCM helis + other targets, missiles and GBUs in their line of sight at least

Isn’t it unfair for NATO?

IRL, these systems we have in game are much more powerful, they would counter helis no problem, it is in game implementation that makes them perform poorly.

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If the heli pilot is smart and not hovering out in open, SACLOS SAMs aren’t doing much to helis either

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No because when yo start spammiing 16 F&F Hellfire missiles I have no time to even look at one pixel of your rotor that popped out and have to engage the spam you just launched at me. Even if I do manage to launch at you, if you are low enough you can get away from the radar and ALWAYS escape the missile. Very rarely the missile follows through and hits you which is probably a bug anyway but yeah. Change your tactics first would be my advice

Same as ItO-90.

no, just the only ones with SAMs that do this in this game

Just remember, Pantsir now is bugged to almost unplayable condition. Any multiple targets in the sights makes ur target to switch randomly between them. Throwing 3-5 GBUs drives Pantsir completly nuts making it absolutely impossible to aim.

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I took the pantsir in for the 1st time in a long time during the last ground event… I almost had a seizure when the CAS and SAMs all opened up and my sight was trying to look at a few dozen targets at the same time

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funny thing is that reports about this exists for almost 2 (TWO) years.
IMO that’s an artificial nerf made on purpose as well as many other “know issues” :D What really dissapoints me is the fact u are forced to play Pantsir since BUK is a complete garbage.

Does anyone try fish for ‘Russian-bias’ whines like @SadRIPer? Jesus, what a pathetic individual. Go to Reddit if you wanna cry about Russia.

Also funny how the system automatically detects between Friend and Foe but cant understand that you dont want to target a friendly missile. Also that AH 64E spam of AGMs is getting boring very quickly. Devs dont understand that the seeker head of the Hellfire needs to see the target to lock onto it and you having eyes with TADS on the target doesnt mean that Hellfire obscured by whatever can see it too and target it but meh. If I continue I will be called out for Russian bias :D