Even on tanks with low armor you can still trigger the fuze by shooting at modules like the trasnmission or engine
This is before the XM246 even existed in the game.
ZA-35, a much better Gepard in every regard if all you want to do is get ground kills.
I have also read constant complaints of it not being that speedy.
11kph reverse on the RCV(P) vs 43kph reverse on XM800T. Even among just wheeled vehicles, the RCV(P) is slow.
I don’t think you grasp quite how bad it is when reversing.
I can’t even fit it all on screen.
The Type 16 also only turns its front wheels, but had a much smaller radius despite also being larger and doing it in less than half the time.
This is important because if you have to reverse away from something that is driving towards you (very common when playing rat tanks) in the RCV(P) you just die. You can’t reverse fast enough, you can’t turn around in time, even if you do your acceleration sucks.
The XM800T can reverse at 43kph, can turn on a dime and do it incredibly quickly. I still don’t get how you somehow think these two should be the same BR.
Wiesel front being only 8mm means 7.62 can still pen it out to 300m head-on, vs <50m on the XM800T. USA main cope really is strong.
Still has RHA, and plenty of it.
It is, you’re uninformed. For all kinetic penetrators, damage is based on the remaining velocity it has.
Just gonna forget about the entire left half the vehicle? Not to mention that to hit the firewall, they’re also hitting your engine which will get you killed very very soon.
Dead center, from a high velocity 105mm cannon. XM800T has no spalling.
105 works just fine, and even 90mm M82 shot will dig in.
Side grades? As in, the side grade of losing a stabilizer, the side grade of being slower in every situation that isn’t on a paved road in a straight line for a longer distance than you’d ever need to drive for? The side grade of not having a stabilizer and worse protection everywhere?
Those side grades?
There’s a bug report for an LRF, and in any case DM63 has very high velocity. Wiesel thermals are good but you can’t do anything with them aside from spotting one guy very far away, especially now that nothing at these BRs has night battles.
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non sense. definetly have seen people talking about gepards a lot.
marders not as much.
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Yes, he did not.
If you mean when it was first introduced yes, otherwise no.
The ZA-35 lacks APDS full stop like the XM246, it is not at all better than the gepard for ground kills, both are directly inferior as they only sport the same AP-T rounds that the gepard does.
And I’ve heard complaints that it is too fast, the Hydras are OP and that the 25mm was overperforming at launch.
So you cant, good to know.
And whats the primary difference between the Type 16’s drive train and this?
Hmmm curious.
Lmao.
Literally only on the side strips and they are 6.35mm, that is the only RHA on the vehicle.
Lol, no, it is determined based upon the projectile weight and diameter.
You mean the side of the vehicle which also has the firewall plate right infront of the driver? That still provides internal protection my guy.
Actual certified skill issue.
Yes, that is not overmatch, overmatch requires x7 the thickness of the plate to come into effect as stated.
As I said, subcaliber projectiles have a tendency to bounce off of the plate quite commonly.
- ATGM
- Thermals
- Actual armor
- Road speed as you mentioned
- Smoke launchers
Yes, and its a US vehicle so the chance of it getting fixed is slim to none, next.
That and if you somehow think gen 3 thermals are somehow not a boon then you dont understand top tier.
I never stated people were complaining about marders, and no Gepards have not been a issue for years now, but now that the XM246 exists people actually talk about the AP-T being extremely powerful, but only on the XM246 that is.
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Literally doesn’t matter when the SAP shell is still there
That IS the Type 16’s drivetrain. Two steering axles, same as the RCV(P).
Demonstrably false, but the effort of proving would be lost on you.
Clearly working just fine regardless.
USA tree is not a victim of anything, they got Abrams reload lowered to 5s just by complaining about skill issues.
Delusional. Go to any video about the Gepard, ZA-35, or ItPsV and you’ll see plenty of players (as well as the creator) talking about how broken they are.
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Does spall have nothing to do with armor plate thickness? If if I shoot a sheet of tin foil with 120mm apfsds, I doubt it will create plenty of spall, even though it has plenty left over penetration
Is that not one of the reasons “no armor is best armor” exists?
the only reason 246 is better than gepard is the barrel placement and has more armor
thats like it tho its slow as hell and bigger target than gepard
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My brother in christ, it has the same exact belts as every other KDA armed vehicle but without the APDS rounds. The literal only difference in ammo is that it does not get APDS, that is directly worse than the APDS armed KDA equipped tanks.
Tell me, which one of these belt lists is the XM246, Type 87 and ZA-35, and dont go looking at the belt prices, I will know.
The RCV(P)'s centerline tire does not turn my guy, it has 3 degrees of play, it is the same as the second axel of the LAV-AD, only the front wheels provide actual turning power, the Type 16 by comparison can angle the second set of wheels enough to actually turn.
Please, stay in your delusion, maybe some day you can actually learn how the underlying components of this spaghetti machine of a game function.
Sure my guy, you still said overmatch, its not, and the documentation for overmatch can be found extremely easily. I do find it funny that you gracefully just ignored M774 bouncing off the front plate, guess it does not align with your narrative you are spinning.
Ah yes, the reload change that literally no US player was asking for. People wanted functional hull armor on the M1s like it historically should have, instead gaijin just slapped a reload change on it and left. The same thing occurred with the Ariete and the Merkavas, and guess what, nothing has changed for any of them, they all still need armor improvements, the reload buff fixed functionally nothing on them.
Hmmm lets see, with a quick search for the Gepard I can find one from a year ago, one from two years ago, one back when it was release and one 10 months ago. Yeah thats a long time ago my guy, the ItPsV and ZA-35 have Spook playing them, but only about 3 more videos beyond that and those are all 10 or more months ago.
And then we have the XM246, which I can find a total of 8 videos all under a month about it, curious.
I will say, they are playable now. The 5s reload did make them a lot better.
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I would heavily question if the top tier Merkavas are really playable, the Airetes still implode under a weak breeze, the M1s did benefit the most as they were the best off of the 3, but still, they all needed armor tweaks, not reload tweaks, the primary reason why all 3 vehicles suffer was not addressed.
just want to bump the thread and say that XM800T has a belt that is wrong. why has it got german ammo when its an American testbed?
also where is its LRF?
move to 8.7 and take away the APDS so its accurate and with other vehicles of its insane ability
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The Merkava Mk.4’s are actually, dare I say, good. They’re insanely survivable and have some pretty trolly armor, with a good dart to boot. I’ve been playing nothing but the Mk.4M lately and I have been loving it. As for the Arietes, they are still bad, and I think each Ariete could do with a 1 BR step decrease.
???
Move it to 8.7 and make it completely fckin useless? You do know how bad 20mm HVAP is, right?
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LRF, mobility better than literally every other vehicle in the game by a country mile and extreme ROF. you also don’t need much more pen than a 50 cal to tear at that BR as that’s the point you start to see shilkas, gepards, BMP, Rooikat, m113 and all the other wafer thin AFVs, which the XM800 is meant to hunt.
not early 1950s tanks that most of the time arent even stabilised yet
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I mean if youre going to take out the apds, just because it is “german”, then you also have to take out the hvap and the he, as neither are designed in the us…
the APDS belt is explicitly the German designation belt. the HVAP at least is an American adopted belt
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Dump them down with the CR2s L27A1 is a hate crime
Did the us ever used the dm 43 iirc they never put into service either the rh202 or the f2 well before that round was even created
40rds of APDS is not gonna do anything. Players rarely use them. 99%+ of kills you see are with the SAP shell.
shows center axle turning
Shorter wheelbase, only one non-turning axle. Half of the Type 16’s axles do not steer.
Case in point.
Some months ago, in a WT discord, we had a guy complain that he shot a T-54’s UFP with some british cope APDS and it did next to no damage internally. I’ll let you take a guess as to why that was, and it’s not because APDS has somehow poor spalling.
Do you think a 105mm APHE shell would have penned at an 82deg angle if it wasn’t? Do you think it would have penned if that plate was, say, 100mm?
It was never in the topic of discussion. And you can shoot literally anywhere else.
The Abrams were never bad, the Clickbait 1-dead-leave hordes and major nation skill issues gave USA a disproportionately low winrate.
A year ago is not a long time. 35mm SAP, the Gepard, ZA-35 etc have not been changed. Spook has played the ZA-35 just 6 months ago. And from smaller creators, there’s one right on the first results page from 3 months ago.
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