they weren’t and thats not our problem
the leopard 1 is unique in a way where it is balanced to have trash armor but great gun and ammo and other qualities
as such, yes the leopard 1 will have issues against things that shoot at it however it is very good against tanks with heavy armor etc
and xm800t shouldnt go up in a br because it is strong against leopards weaknesses
it is also weak against armor of many tanks at the battlerating
feel free to tell me how common this is with a source because i have a feeling this is just as uncommon as any other light tank with fast cannon doing it
What is your reasoning for XM800T having higher br than Marder 1A3 or same br as Warrior and making it face 9.3 tanks like, T-72, ZTZ96, VBCI or CV9030FIN
good luck hitting those. very difficult to see, especially with the bush
or the same we can say, shoot an aphe at the xm800t and see what happens
the armor also gives the xm800t a disadvantange, youre gonna have to aim at a way smaller spot and if you hit the armor youre not going through
like i said the xm800t is also small, it only needs 1-2 hits and it is dead, center of mass
if youre driving fast you will most likely have a problem hitting the small turret of warrior while the warrior is slow, it can stop fast and won’t need stab to hit you
and again, the atgm gets me kills more than deaths, it is a net positive and would be one on xm800t too
youre biased in your arguments and youre trying to downplay the advantanges of warrior for the benefit of your argument and it is pretty clear
and i also asked you for proof of your earlier claim which you still havent responded to
indeed. the atgm is very small even at 10 meters
now at engagement distances of 100m or more, i never have people even attempt to aim at the atgm
if youre driving a xm800t at max speed youre probably not going to hit a small target very much unless if youre in a test drive against a target that isn’t shooting you
interesting percentage. do you have a source for it?
any argument goes out of the window when we go with the “shoot this tank. boom, it died”
which was your logic, and thank you for confirming that your logic is pointless
youre talking nonsense here. wanna give proof for the statistical claims. where did you get source for the 90% of time claim?
did you make it up?
the remote turret is definetly better than the turret ofxm800t it is a way smaller target, it is easier to hide and harder to kill the tank through at range
and now your argument was “shoot aphe at it and it dies”, sure and shoot aphe at xm800t and it dies
the difference here is players will have way more difficult time shooting the small turret of marder at range especially if its bushed up compared to xm800t
also the depression difference is huge allowing marder to shoot from weird positions that the xm800t cant shoot from
skill issue of players isn’t my problem
for example on thunderskill the british jas39c is 1.71kd
and the swedish jas39c is 2.11kd which is roughly a 25% difference over the SAME PLANE
you can see other examples regardless of whether theyre last in the line or not
same vehicle capabilities, hugely different kd ratios
its skill in the play
yet it is hard to hit at ranges, if you hide it with a bush its hard to kill and many ammo like apds apfsds dont do much unless if its a direct hit
while also providing a missile and a gun with very good depression gun
definetly positive rather than negative
the marder would be worse with the turret of a xm800t
bulgy, big, visible, easy to hit, crew tight in it, apds and apfsds are way more effective against it and the depression isnt as good
it is pointless to pretend that enemies have aimbot and xray when facing the marder
definetly a net positive
