hmm make sense, give it laser range finder then 9.0 no problem
it has laser range finder irl anyways
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it missing its LRF is stupid as its pretty obvious where it is.
9.0 may be a bit extreme due to how compressed that high up is in an uptier but limiting it to only be able to ruin 7.7 matches in a full uptier would be a savign grace for so many people
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Deserved
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too low
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I agree too low…
just nerf apds too
too high
and a atgm too
Remove the German APDS it has, why should the US cannons get access to German DM-63?
Compare that with the British Desert Warrior and it doesn’t get the improved round used by the Bradley because…“They never used it in service”
Ok cool show me the USA using DM-63…
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Admins dont care admins dont care about anything 8.0 br has become unplayable
pray
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Coming back to this after having grinded Sweden for a bit, I can say I hate the XM800T now.
When I played the thing it wasn’t that great, but again that’s just “it’s OP until you play it”. However I did get some nukes with the XM800T alone in some instances iirc. Now, when facing it with vehicles such as the Ikv 91, man, I’ve never prayed more anytime before. Not even MBTs are safe, one time with the Strv 81 a XM800T simply spammed APDS to my rear and killed my entire crew through the engine, it’s ridiculous.
After having gotten the Strv 101 and 103 it ain’t much of a deal since you mostly snipe them before they get anywhere useful, but man, they do make you panic more than often. If they gave it its LRF it could go up to 8.7 without an issue, it’ll still cause some trouble in 8.3.
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Show me British Shermans and French Sherman Jumbo using T45 APCR…you won’t because it was an experimental round and likely never issued to even US forces, let alone exported - the reality is that if a weapon system in-game can use specific ammunition, it can be given to it, which is why XM800 uses DM63, or F-4F having AIM-9Js it never used etc.
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Good thing that the US received trial rounds of Dutch DM63 way back when.
I do find it quite funny that the marders and gepards were nerver a issue for people, but now that the US has the same gun at the same BRs suddenly the RH202 and oerlikon KDA are overpowered, heck the latter is even missing the APDS rounds but is still considered better than the normal gepard which is laughable and the former sports a ATGM as well as the cannon.
The luchs even gets DM63 at 7.3 while Japan gets it at 7.7, I’ve yet to hear those vehicles get called out for being OP.
Or how about a better comparison since I know people are going to go “but its small and fast it can hide” so can the Wiesel 1A4 at 7.3 and that thing also gets DM63 along with gen 3 thermals.
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Because as we all know, the Marder and Gepard are the only vehicles in the game with the Rh202 and KDA respectively
Luchs is unstabilized, RCV(P) is a slow, big shitbus with no reverse speed, no acceleration, and a turn radius the size of an entire gridsquare.
Unstabilized, turret doesn’t traverse to the rear hemisphere, armor can be penned even by 7.62 in some parts and .50cals anywhere, only 2 crew.
The XM800T combines and/or exceeds the best qualities of every single one of these vehicles.
I think it should be down to 7.3 or so only because it will fight more heavy tanks that it can’t pen rather than higher br lightly armored mbts. My experience is that i preform extremely well in up tiers and suck at down tiers.
XM800T add the T
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Then tell me, who has ever complained about the Type 87, PGZ 09, Marksman armed tanks etc. You know what I’m talking about and you want to avoid the truth of the matter.
The RCV(P) has a HP/T of 20.3, if you think that is slow you need to get your head checked, to that same end both the RCV(P) and Luchs have a fast enough elevation gear for them to be pseudo stabilized at 48 degrees per second, this is a well known boon, if you are having issues with bumps, elite your crew.
Given this is the same exact mount and sports the same exact elevation gear drives as above, once again, elite your crew or stop whining, that and I am so glad you brought up the fact that the Wiesel is easy to pen as it shows that you don’t know how armor works in this game. Reminder that the Wiesel is a uniform 8mm RHA across it’s entire frame bar it’s roof, which is 6. If you are getting MGed in the roof you somehow failed spectacularly. In the case of the XM800T, you seem to forget that Aluminum Alloy 7039 has a RHA equivalence factor of .50, so all that 25.4mm of armor you see all over the XM800T is only worth 12.7mm, which is easily HMGed and, at close range, penetrated by 7.62mm AP (13mm of pen). So wow, would you look at that, the Wiesel has the same amount of effective armor as the XM800T.
And it is 8.0, not 7.3, or 7.7 like everything else listed, its almost like it’s already at a higher BR due to it’s stabilizer. Yet you and others want it to go up solely due to the DM63 rounds, which, as already explained, exist in a myriad of lower BR vehicles.
I do find it quite interesting as well that you chose to leave out the two marders in your response as well. I wonder why you did this…
That doesnt track though as none of the British 105 guns have HEAT-FS.
And the Desert Warrior example.