I cant even tell if this is sarcasm or not, xD
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No idea what this even means TBH mate.
The SPAA are generally fine where they are, the fact small caliber auto cannons do so much damage is another thing, doesn’t matter if it’s an AA or not.
He’d still get shot down , just at a higher BR.
I find it irritating going up against a Gepard, or type 87 in a 7.7 jet? yeah sure, but it ain’t that bad.
Making them more balanced in both AA and AT ability makes them less unbalanced in both AA and AT ability.
Running circles?
Yep, AspectOfTheRage was just running in circles.
Making SPAA’s worse against aircraft (which in these examples they already are, given the cas player is not extremely incompetent) achieves absolutely nothing but to incentivise players to use them as TD’s even more.
Removing suitable AA options within tech trees, by moving them up for their AT performance (Which is barely going to be affected anyway) does not solve - but instead adds far more problems.
They’re too strong in both areas. Moving them up makes them weaker in both areas. It’s literally as simple as that. I wouldn’t be opposed to adding weaker SPAA at 8.3 to fill the gap. Things similar in capability to the M163 and Shilka.
Rememeder son saab 105 is 8.3 and all other ccip plane are 9.0 without hevt or slmilar you cant hit shit
Ps. Hely are a probblem to for gun aa
Neither Shilka (4V) nor VADS are suitable replacements for gepard at 8.3.
Just because it is too difficult for you to not fly in a straight line or notice 1100rpm worth of tracers flying at you doesnt make them too strong for AA purposes, especially when considering that the majority of aircraft can easily outrange (refering to effective range) them.
Just vecause it’s too difficult for you to play SPAA doesn’t mean it’s weak.
Just move the SAAB 105 up as well then.
“not even good one” what about the others ive mentioned and the community coming to a agreement that its good
nothing to say about them i agrea they are to powerfull
The zsu 57 2 is quite strong to be fair, thr WZ305 i think though is the best as it gets solid proxy rounds.
I mixed up the penetration values with the underslung 20mm GAU’s that can be attached. My mistake.
Are you joking me the ZSU-57-2 penetration is around 151mm and penetrate must tanks on side in the same br and lower.
On paper is the best on practis if you have ever use it the slower firerate bound with reload, and recoil ,lower damege if a shell pennetrate and no stab make it preaty unrelayable, unlike other aa tank destroyer
The ZSU-57 design has no rapid dps cannons like the Gepard and experience players use the ZSU-57 for flanking.
it genuinely boils my blood everytime i get killed by these, I really wonder why they are not nerfed yet
My super complot level tier speculaticion is in part for the damage against aircraft and in part for not nerfing the best seller tank of all time the Turm 3
All triple AAA with anti vehicle rounds are dumb and OP even as low as 7.0 the ZSU are sniping tanks from 1500m with the 57mm guns.
The joke is they are an spg in disguise. Not so great at shooting down CAS with their fire rate of 120 rnds/min.