Yes, I know that Gaijin generally does not accept speed-related videos,But the apparent difference in the diameter of the turns is a solid piece of evidence, so I have 2 different sources of reliable information, right? If the current model doesn’t reach this angle, it’s clear that there is something wrong with the model, right?
So it’s really a bug, right?
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Yes, I know that. However, although the PLA already has a new 8x8 chassis this year, the old 8x8 chassis is still in service, and manuals and other materials are absolutely impossible, that is an act of espionage.
I think the marked data, the photo, a complete U-turn video, this is well enough to prove.Why can’t Gaijin admit it’s a bug?And I don’t think I had any problem using straight lines and extensions in my photos.Unless you want to say that perspective is wrong.
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I sincerely ask Gaijin to revisit this issue, and the information, videos, and backgrounds I provide are very clear and reliable.
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Rather than put the wheels too close to the body, isn’t it possible that they instead made the chassis too wide ?
On the front facing pictures, the lights seem much narrower on the real picture than the ingame one.
If you have the axle track of the real vehicle, and compare it to that of the ingame one, you could first establish with certainty what is wrong, and make a bug report that would be much harder to shutdown on the ground of “It’s right because I say so.”.
Its also too many issues per report. Each issue needs its own report.
The turning circle should be its own report. The physical issues with the model also need breaking into their own reports.
There is nothing to action or forward here, its not a forum. Linking to other issues and asking questions etc isn’t the way to use the CBR.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vXFdTT4OQtZ1
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I can understand needing more sources like books or manuals, but the original problem is turn diameter.
It doesn’t matter how fast it does so, the speed at which it turns doesn’t change the angle.
Otherwise as well, if there are multiple issues being reported then it would make sense to report them separately. But they are also relevant to the explanation to the turning diameter.
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But that’s a strange circle, isn’t it?
I opened an issue to report the turn diameter error, and then Gaijin replied that the model does not allow it, so the issue you reported “not a bug”
Then I open another issue comparing the real vehicle to the model, reported the model error, and immediately closed my issue and said that I didn’t have enough sources to prove the model wrong.
So could you please tell me what I should do?
if I reopen an issue about a turn diameter error, with that article and video, will it get passed? Or again, because my model must be right, so not a bug?
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I’m actually already comparing vehicles to models.If you read carefully, I have already pointed out that the wheels are a little inward, and the distance between the wheels and the chassis is narrow.
As for why I didn’t compare the width of the chassis, because the angle affects the proportional relationship, I used a more reliable straight line to compare the relative position.
Isn’t the root of the whole thing that ridiculous logic?
My model does not allow it, so all the evidence of reality is incorrect, come on, confirm that my model is wrong.
What else can I do? Steal blueprints?
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the reverse speed is terrible too. GJ seriously thinks that a T-72 transmission was the inspiration of this vehicle’s gearbox
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@ Gunjob
Are there any questions this time?
ZLT11 has the wrong turning diameter // Gaijin.net // Issues
arrogant snail, they just dont like ChinaTT
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Welcome to the minor nation club. Britain gets this all the time. We have to write detailed essays, better referenced that some PHD dissertations to even get the most basic issues addressed.
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china is always in the minor nation club, it just trun well after… these few version :(
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see,again.
TrickZZter
This guy just ignores the objective evidence and insists on that arrogant logic, my model must be correct.
I have given objective evidence from 2 different sources that confirm that the turning radius is wrong, why am I being asked to prove that the model is wrong?
Provide a manufacturing blueprint, right?
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Another report refused on a rather arbitrary basis.
The moderators are unnecessarily strict with what is considered “valid” and this isn’t a new issue. Players and technical moderators don’t frequently exactly see eye to eye on the issue. The ZLT11 being another casualty because not enough evidence can be provided for their strict standards even though it would be easy to prove otherwise.
(Edit for less harsh language)
A video showing the turning radius of a vehicle is as legit as it can get. Possible change of video speed is a very poor and ignorant excuse to refuse it as a source.
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Hello,
First of all, please don’t insult or attack gaijin staff while participating in forum threads. The rules for reference requirements when it comes to “historic” report vehicle performance issues, have been in place since before I started being a Technical Moderator… around early 2017, they’re not things he’s just making up to block your reports.
Please note the requirements for historical matters below.
How to Make a Report
Anyone who has a War Thunder account can make a bug report. Our dedicated website allows anyone to create a full bug or historical report and let us know of any issues you have found.
Once there, you can choose what specific platform, category, and game version you want to report the matter too. Every category area has a helpful set of notes detailing what is required for the report to be the most effective. Be sure to check the area-specific (or file-specific) notes before submitting your report.
In general though, the basic and core parts of a standard or gameplay-related bug report are:
- Clear descriptive title of the issue
- Full description and details of the issue
- Steps on how to reproduce the issue
In the case of historical matters, one of the following two points will be required:
- One primary historical source (User/Factory/Repair Manual, Original handbooks etc)
- Two secondary sources (Reference works, museums, Biographies, Books, “expert” opinion publications, websites etc)
Once you have everything ready, you can submit your report and await its review by a Technical Moderator, developer, or our QA team, who will first test and reproduce the issue where possible and then either forward the matter or request any additional information that may be required.
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Knowledge_Base#What_is_Bug_Reporting.3F
After viewing the reports you’ve linked, none of them have sufficient sources to be forwarded, as the magazine/book article only counts as a secondary source. You would need at least another reliable secondary source to back it up, preferably a primary one.
I’d offer some help, but none of the English-language reference books I have on AFVs are new enough to have anything on the ZBL-09 chassis.
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So if someone can’t provide precise evidence at a near primary level source, it’s expected to just have the players live with a vehicle that is incorrect compared to its characteristics IRL?
The ZLT11 has a video showcasing it’s turning radius. That’s a perfectly valid form of evidence for that issue, it’s not turning speed. To say it isn’t is just plain ignorance.
There’s a reason feelings aren’t exactly positive and happy when this kind of thing happens.
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1: No, not really, while primary sources are preferred, sufficient numbers of agreeing secondary sources do work as well. For example, if you had 1 or 2 publicly available books or documents that talked about that aspect of the vehicle and gave agreeing values to go with the magazine/journal article, that would work.
2: The problem with trying to estimate such from a video is that there’s no reference measurement clearly visible on the ground, which then means you’re dealing with camera angle and parallax, as well as any changes caused by lens distortion.
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It’s potentially sufficient to work out the math required to determine the radius of the turn.
I can confidently say that it appears the front 4 wheels can angle at most about 40°. But I don’t have the Wheelbase length to get an appropriate guesstimate. Language barrier will likely keep it that way.
Are you kidding?Isn’t the length of the vehicle itself a reference?Does the length of the vehicle change during turning?I also have a full picture of the circle in the review I provided.
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