I voted!
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balance: laser guided brimstone vs 6xKh-38MT with ground indicating radar
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probably not, but it still would be easy to update the onboard database
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Yep. Been the norm with digital, programmable RWRs since the 70s/80s
Early ones would have a data limit on how many threats are in the library at any given time (still dozens), but you add and remove and program the library on the basis of intelligence about who you are fighting and what systems they have. Displays are fully alphanumeric and will show what ever the threat library has been programmed to show - but naturally there’s standard notation
Modern ones will store data about threat emissions themselves for analysis after the flight, so the library can be updated in future to account for emerging threats.
Just have a look at the one for Indra’s ALR-400
Upload or download of emitter libraries and data stored during the flight
• Data sovereignty: Threat library fully programmable by the End User.
• Standard MLV, fast Ethernet auxiliary port, or cockpit control unit removable compact flash are valid ways to upload or download data.
This is all pretty standard stuff for RWRs in the past 30+ years, apart from the hardware for data storage and transfer increasingly using standard commercial electronics (cables and laptops) rather than bespoke cables and devices.
Some older examples showing how things developed in the space of just 10-20 years from the late 1980s to 2000
Spoiler
US Defence Intelligence Agency paper from 1990 talks of the French Thomson-CSF/Thales’ TMV011 ‘Sherloc’ RWR system in Iraqi service on their Mirage F1 and other aircraft.
A high-speed analogue and digital processor incorporates a threat library of 100 modes which readily reprograms on the flight line. The library extends to 200 modes. Although unconfirmed in the Iraqi inventory.
https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/iscap/pdf/2014-033-doc01.pdf
US Naval Postgraduate School, Center for Joint Services Electronic Warfare on commercially available RWRs describes Britain’s GEC Marconi/Selex’s Sky Guardian 2000 thus:
An emitter library of 4,000 emitter descriptions can be loaded by a PCMCIA smart card incorporated into the control unit.
DTIC ADA611440: Commercially Available Low Probability of Intercept Radars and Non-Cooperative ELINT Receiver Capabilities : Defense Technical Information Center : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
UK military contract for Sky Guardian 2000 awarded in 1997, and as the name implies, was in service on helicopters like Apache AH.1 and Merlin HC.3 by the year 2000, and has since been exported widely to customers in Europe and Asia
So we see even the export models of Western RWRs are programmed to identify hundreds, if not thousands of different emitters. And this can be updated at the user’s convenience, without returning to OEM.
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This is the single worst change the game has seen in years and i really hope Gaijin don’t shoot themselves in the head with this one.
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Back to a year ago. It’s so funny to re-read this dev blog.
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Welp i guess dev finally lost their mind
The thing that perfect that don’t need to change
“Well let make it have problem”
Thing that need fix badly
“We’ll ignore that because we’re not competent enough to fix here take some Leopard”
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can somebody link the post where all the changes are listed?
it’s based on some datamine work so probabably you can’t find a post with all changes
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As a Chinese player, i must point that J-10A(歼-10A) rwr CAN NOT identify ITSELF. How can J10A cannot identify J10A as clear word? It doesn’t make any sense.
That means gaijin work is a joke, especially they just without any thinking to decide this.
For God sake, i do believe there’s only one country cannot identify threads, that’s no doubt is RUSSIAN FEDERAL. Gaijin just simple think not only CHN but also NATO tech same bad as RU Airforce, which cannot identify even OWN AIRCRAFT RADAR WAVE.
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I feel like assuming that “thing from era” would be able to detect “other thing from same era” is common sense
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I know for some of them there are non classified documents from the manufactures that state their RWRs can have their software updated for new targets.
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It wouldn’t be the first time that a plane in game couldn’t detect its own radar type. The F-14A and F-4J/S can’t detect PD even though they use it.
As someone who worked on 5th gen aircraft and 4th gen avionics systems I know first hand that so long as the switches(receivers) used on the aircraft can track and detect the specific frequency being emitted, that data IS recorded then offloaded onto hardware at the hangar, then sent up to depot to have rewritten, the data is then pushed back to not only the same squadron, but literally any NATO branch and squadron that also uses equipment that can also track that frequency. Now there are legitimate complications when going from;
[Switch]->[Processor]->[integration computer]->[Display]
whereas the processor might not be able to understand whats being sent. This would only be an issue on legacy airframes like early block 16s, early 15s (probably not the MSIP), something like the F-4E or F-4F or maybe even the EJ KAI. But would be unrealistic to affect the later variations of these platforms as the EW suite and Integration has specifically been updated.
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cant wait for gaijin to ignore all of us and do the update for the rwr nerf anyway
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+1
If they ever implement this absolutely abysmal change, we should at least not be affecting gameplay for the higher tier aircraft that often depend on their RWR for information as the spotting systems and increase in cloudy battles makes the game worse to play at these sorts of brs.
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Wait, so a year ago they improved it to show what is emitting, and now that’s getting “re-improved” to… undo that?
Sounds more like busywork for developers to be honest, just to give them something to do that doesn’t involve copy/pasting vehicles…
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That’s not even a question, they’ll just go ahead and do it anyway because by Jebus they know what’s best for us and by other Jebus we’ll damn well like it. You have to love that good old CCCP mindset.
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At this point it’s so obvious that they want to artificially gimp nato stuff. The vatniks didn’t update their RWR for years past the SPO-15, so now everyone gets the SPO-15, simple as.
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not nato’s fault ussr doesnt update their stuff :V
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