From what I understand it could historically be used on the Yak-38s.
Would giving them R-60Ms and maybe moving them up be a bad idea? I used to love flying the thing but it just feels awful nowadays.
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It would be an awful idea.
Giving it R-60Ms would push it to 10.0, where it still has hopeless flight performance and zero flares.
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Would it really be 10.0 worthy? It flies like a brick and is out ran by everything.
You still have to get pretty close with the R-60M and at that point you are pretty much a sitting duck. Having the all aspect would kind of just put you on equal ground with jets trying to head on you.
With R-60Ms it would be. The missiles and it’s speed aren’t that bad to only have it be 9.7 with all aspect missiles.
It would be a good idea as it would mean no longer fighting Yak-38 in 8.3s.
I sincerely doubt that. The speed is nothing special, even at 9.3 and you would still need to get to someone with 2-2.5km to guarantee a hit
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 8.3 match in Yak-38. You see 10.0s nearly every single match.
It is probably the fastest purely subsonic plane in the entire game, and will stay at 0.97-0.99 mach in a straight line at any reasonable altitudes. 2-2.5km is very easy to do, even at 9.7 if you play cautiously and carefully. It also isn’t fun to face a plane that has 4 free kills against flareless planes if you don’t have any flares.
I’ve had quite a few full downtiers, and most of them have ended with me getting 3-4 kills because of the R-60s.
Unless there is a variant that had both flares and R-60Ms, they should not come to the game on it.
10.3 instantly
Being the fastest subsonic at that tier isn’t really the grandest achievement, like you are still sub sonic, turn like a bus and no air breaks or anything really helpful. Getting the drop on the yak-38 is not a hard feat at all.
RNG gods are much kinder to you it seems, I don’t can’t remember the last time I didn’t see a 9.7/10.0 game in the yak-38. I wouldn’t mind flares on this thing.
No way is it equal to the A-10 even with 2 more missiles.
The A-10 is my go to grinder for kills and the like when I wanna turn off my brain.
Still all-aspect missiles that cannot be kinematically dodged and there is just too much without flares.
You’d have to fly into the range of them for any actual danger. We have the F3H at 9.3 and it’s not an issue. I think 9.7 with R-60Ms would be fine, but even if it is a nightmare the thing can go to 10.0 in the worst case.
It would be a truly awful thing to fly if it went to 10.0, which it would because it’s not slow for a low BR all aspect missile carrier. Do you want to constantly face missiles you can’t do anything against, both when using or facing the Yak-38?
We just need BR decompression because it’s not possible to properly balance it even with R-60s.
All aspect kill all missle at 9.3 where it can prey on flareless plane? At best maybe 9.7 along side the av8c but probly gonna be 10.0 or 10.3 where it will get preyed on by Su25 and A10 instead.
I was very disappointed when I see a still 80’s Soviet fighter with the old and out performance R-60 earlier version.
This Yak-38 without R-60M situation, the MiG-29 without R-73 (that missile was created for MiG-29A on mind) and Yak-141 without R-73 and R-77 is on Gaijin shoulders.
BR lower or upper is not what matters. Gaijing must stop ban real weapons that belong to fighters!!
yak38 is already barely playable at 9.3
imagine it at 10.3 with r60m
who make BR designation? you or Gaijin? Mirage f1C-200 its extremely OP in 11.7, the same for F2 premium in Japan and you don’t complain about those BRs but wanted to increase the BR on Yak-38 because all aspect missiles… interesting your point of biased view…
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i am the one responsible for every dogshit idea gaijin ever made
i am Anton Yudintsev actually
Assuming you are talking about ASB here and not ARB given the BRs, its interesting that you dont mention the Mig-23s being OP at 11.3
Mirage F1C-200 is fine-ish at 11.7, its got a weak radar and RWR which is a lot more impactful in ASB than it is in ARB where you dont need to rely upon those. The 2x Magic IIs are strong, but not totally unreasonably so and I know from experience in the Tornado F3 that they are easy to farm kills on. (though difficult to know if thats just because they are mostly being used for base bombing by people who dont know what they are doing or not)
And im not sure why you consider the F-2A ADTW OP, its actually one of the more reasonably placed aircaft at the moment. Especially when directly compared to actually OP aircraft like the 12.3 F-14A or the 12.7 F-15A/Js
Also wierd that you think that all-aspect IR missiles at 9.3 is acceptable, but by that logic, you must have no issue with the Sea Vixen at 8.3 getting its all-aspect Red Tops or the Harrier GR1 and Hunter F6 at 9.7 getting their All-aspect SRAAMs then.