So, as I was told, that 5th gen fighters are expected this or next year. But I have a question revolving around the SU-57.
So, as some of you may know, the su-57 started with AL-41F1 engines, then got to the product 177 engines and as point of today got it’s AL-51F1 Engines. So my question is…
With what engine/nozzle type will the Su-57 come?
Cuz I personally really like the 3D thrust vectoring nozzles and grew up with them on the su-57. And now it has 2D thrust vectoring nozzles with the new
AL-51F1.
If I could choose on how to put it in the game I’d do it like this:
First I’d put in the Su-57 with the Product 177 engines (wich for explanation are still 3D thrust-vectoring but are better/more powerful than the AL-41F1 Wich is found on the Su-35 and the earliest su-57 models)
In the game at like 15.0-15.7 (I’d think the 5th gen bracket would be 15.0-16.0) and put the Su-57 with the AL-51’s (Also named Su-57M1/M2) at 15.7 or 16.0
I hope gaijin sees this and can give me an answer.
I hope to hear some theories from you guys.
And if someone at gaijin sees this, I’m begging you to give us an Su-57 with product 177 engines thus 3d vectoring nozzles
i know next to nothing about this plane, but I do know that for a while it had standard nozzles that were circular, which would lead to a worse stealth profile. if it was to come to war thunder as a stealth aircraft, it should get whatever the newer ones are that have the serrated nozzles.
only reason to add the worse one would be balancing, if they were going to only add early stealth fighters first, seeing as even the early su-57s still had more advanced weaponry than most of the other early stealth fighters.
Probably will be fitted with the 3D thrust vectoring AL-41F1 in the first few iterations and probably moving to the AL-51F1 as new 5th-generation airplanes come to the game. If, and only if, F-22 is planned for later implementation, it’s a nice spot to add the Su-57M and other minor variations with the AL-51F1.
The early models would likely use the AL-41F1, and even earlier during the T-50 test phase, a less advanced engine might have been used. Whether a version with the AL-51F1 will exist depends on what technical state GAIJIN wants to present—just like they managed to pull out a J-10C equipped with an AL-31F from some obscure corner when they felt like it, XD.
I dare say that if the Su-57 equipped with the AL-41F performs poorly in player data after just one month, Gaijin will immediately switch it to the AL-51F1 and release an update patch claiming they’ve fixed a “bug” in the engine. So that’s not really the point. If we must discuss something, it would be better to talk about what technical state the Su-35, expected to be released by the end of this year, might actually be in—especially since many of its unique features have already been seen on the Su-30SM2, including its engine, which is utterly baffling.
They’re currently only operational with izd 117 so… that. Project 177 is close but not here yet and is meant for export felons and checkmate, I kinda doubt Russia will spend money equipping their Su-57’s with them but who knows. But it is compatible of course so I don’t see an issue with it getting 177 in game just for the sake of adding something new. And project 30 is “unlikely to arrive any time soon” according to George so rip that idea.
Also correction there is no ‘1’ at the end of AL-51F. And there is no such thing as Su-57 “M,” “M1,” or “M2.” Regarding TVC, like all operational fighters with TVC, all of these engines aren’t actually 3D TVC, the nozzles are canted at an angle to partially simulate 3D TVC. Anyways, all of these suffixes I listed are made up and propagated by slop media. As we all know, there’s a lot of slop media surrounding this plane lmao.
This plane will probably be the most difficult vehicle to reasonably implement in this games history, considering its ongoing upgrade process and the vast amount of false media surrounding it and peoples’ perception of it. Could probably fill the word limit correcting common misconceptions about the Su-57 lmao. Honestly I can’t really in good faith recommend how to implement it, as it’s gonna upset people and be controversial no matter what. But I’ll say this: would we want a half-baked F-22 with AIM-9M and no HMD added? No, so I don’t think a half-baked Su-57 should be added either. It would be similarly abysmal with only external R-77-1’s (lolmao), as 77M only just started seeing service this year.
I just dug through different forums and overthinked everything but I respect your opinion on that. Though one thing I could think Abt is that when gaijin adds 5th gen they kinda will just add the 177 anyways to make it “balanced” , So it will be “well done” and not “half baked”.(Or they will just keep the AL-41F1)But regardless, we don’t really know what’ll happen in the next half year regarding to war thunder and real life Surrounding literally EVERYTHING Abt the Su-57. (Weapons, Engines, etc.)
But I’m just happy that we’ll get round or “3D” nozzles when the time has come, and learned something in the progress.
Thanks.
Edit: I personally think it will probably get the 3 weapon bays (middle and The two sidebays for ir missiles) and exposed hard points wich will be like 10 missiles to rival the f-22 with it’s 8-16 missiles (I don’t know if it’s propaganda but I read that it can carry 2 external weapon bays kinda like fuel tanks on the wings that can carry up to 4 missiles each)
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I’ve always been a bit confused and curious about this issue. As far as I know, Russia has seemed rather disorganized in naming its advanced aircraft engines over the past decade—possibly for export marketing purposes, just like with other military exports? There are multiple products labeled AL-41 that aren’t really the same thing, or even part of the same series. For example, the engine currently used on the VKS’s Su-35 is commonly referred to by designations such as AF-41F1S or 117S, which appears to be the same model as the one used in the Su-30SM2 featured in current games. This engine has relatively low classification and has long been exported, being fitted on models like the Su-35SK or Su-35SE. The initial target engine for the Su-57 project was known as Izdeliye 30, which was early on promoted as a variant of the AL-41, but later this connection was rarely mentioned anymore—quite puzzling. Or perhaps what most people now refer to as the AL-51F is actually Izdeliye 30?(:
Knowing Gaijin, an “Early” variant will first come with the first engines, and then a “Late” variant with the second engines but otherwise identical will come for another 450k RP and 1.2M SL.
