The 8x8 looks like a miniature, the only known prototype is the one that had the 25mm gun on it definitely. It lacks the rear hatch:
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Hmm true. Its in a weird little room.
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The only hope for that is Poland really currently or they go with Argentina (would be pretty nice if they added more vehicles).
They could also add the Enforcer as probably the lowest F&F ground to ground missile in the game.
Any idea of SPAA Germany is getting for next update? :(
I mean, apparently the IRIS-T SLM on the MAN truck is going to be the one of the first multi-vehicle SPAA along with the japanese Type81 with ARH Missiles (also using another vehicle as radar unit).
So if true we’re gonna be eating good, but i kind of expect gaijin to give a new classification to these types of vehicles, 40km death zone is kind of insane if you think about it, you can kill a su34 before it even renders you.
70SP spawn for one of those would be wayyy too cheap.
Also i think this update or next one gaijin will ungimp the Brimstones, because there’s gonna be no way to CAS against Spider AIO/Type81/SLM/chinese one with just laser guided weapons, that have 12 km of range btw.
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Probably we also face the issue that jets for 700-850 spawn points are simply not worth to be spawned vs. these new SPAAs. Its like spawning a Tornado just with GBU vs. Pantsir. I completly stopped using this strike jet in GRB. Might well be that almost all jets become unplayable.
Boxer with the Turra 30 turret at IDET 2025 Brno.
It should have Spikes and AB ammunition if they have given it all the features they take about on their website. Pretty cool especially since the Vilkas is really good.
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Even though I would much prefer the Swiss get an independent tree, I was cautiously optimistic that they could come in any capacity.
Now that I see Gaijin is skipping yet another subtree they had planned (Thai ground) in pursuit of more copy paste, I have pretty much no hopes that the Swiss will be anything more than lame gap filler.
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Welp, time for some swiss vehicles
The Pz 87WE, upgraded Leo 2A4
Pz 68ET
Pz 87-140 cause big guns are better
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lets not forget the swiss-german prototypes
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With the upcoming 2 Part AA i will (if possible) suggest the Kommandogerät 36 and Kommandogerät 40.
These are used for heavy Flaks such as 8,8 cm.
While the Kommandogerät 36 is a more analoge variant, where the information is directly told by the crew to the guncrew by shouting or telephone, thus available for analogue old guns (7,5 cm Flak 16 n.A. L/36 and such)
Giving informantions about the airtarget, for lead, time fuze and much more effectively giving the gun a lead marker and automatic fuze setting in game.
https://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/2009/12/31/kommando-gerat-36-antiaircraft-director/
The Kommandogerät 40 is the same, however more advanced, electrically powered, it is also directly connected to the gun, such as 8,8 cm Flak 37 L/56 and 8,8 cm Flak 41 L/74, and setting the fuze automatically. Theese 2 guns are already in game as the 8,8 cm flak 37 Sfl. (Sd.Kfz.9) and VFW.
This will make the german guns, in game and possible additions viable AA guns.
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Army guide labels the chassis as Swiss, yes, but this specific prototype was based on the Pansarterrängbil 97, which is the Swedish designation for the Piranha III 10x10. MOWAG themself probably had very little to do with this exact prototype
Fw 190 D-14/D-15 & Jumo 213EB to counter Allied superprops - Machinery of War Discussion / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum
Also, Bf 109 k-6/k-14
Better Bismarck H-39
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Just a bunch of neat photos of captured aircraft in Germany use. Most of these probably shouldn’t be added though.
all photos and more found here:
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The Bismark is coming. :)
thats a lot dayum
And that’s just the ones from more major nations. They got some other cool ones as well.
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Gloster gladiator MK.1 in German service, most likely captured from Latvia or Lithuania. Does not appear to have access to the underwing MGs.
Prototype Late 299 (development of the Late 298D we already have in game) in German service
I know this one isn’t Germany but I think the A6M2-N in French service looks cool
I’ll add more later
More of the unique ones (or as unique as you can get with captured/foreign aircraft)
Spitfire Mk Vb Messerspit
Definitely one of the more well known captured aircraft, it’s a captured spitfire mounted with the engine cowling/engine of a Bf-109G.
CR.42LW
The CR.42LW is a unique variant of the CR.42, featuring two large exhaust dampeners and bomb racks capable of carrying four 50 kg bombs—most likely SC50s. Between 63 and 112 units were built for Germany. These aircraft were primarily used in anti-partisan operations and were typically painted in night camouflage.
also a good looking plane, Germany really lacks biplanes
Re.2005
Another very well known Italian plane (and one of my personal favorites). Soon after the armistice, the German command requisitioned all available Re.2005 aircraft, whether completed or still under construction. Reggiane was instructed to implement several major modifications, including reversing the throttle control function, altering the electrical system, and replacing the engine and propeller with original German components. Luftwaffe markings were also applied. It is believed that at least 13 aircraft were completed for the Luftwaffe. Although the Re.2005’s excellent performance reportedly led to plans for their use in the defense of Berlin, it appears that none of them ever left Italy.
she’s gorgeous 🥹
SM.93
A lesser known Italian prototype, the plane would find its way into German hands after the armistice. 16 test flights would be made in Germany were the plane would achieve 950km/h (590mph) in a dive.
The pilot would lay in a prone position while the gunner would sit normally. The prone position really limited rearward visibility.
not their prettiest work
Ca.313
Another Italian aircraft, this time a recon bomber. Surprisingly this isn’t a capture aircraft since Germany actually ordered a decent amount of them (910!) though only 13 would be delivered. They would be delivered with a different nose compared to other nations (France and Sweden also used them) and mostly resorted to training roles. It has decent armament of a couple 12.7mm and a solid bomb load though it’s nothing special.
very good lookin plane
NA-64
After the fall of France, Germany would get their hands on a good amount of NA-64 trainer aircraft. These aircraft were in very good condition and would be put into service as trainer aircraft. They would receive the ability to carry some bombs and all the cockpit dials translated German. They also could’ve possibly received some guns though I’m not sure.
the German-Texan
I’ll add more to this later.
Most info and photos found here
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I think the Hs 117 “Butterfly” would make a very interesting lower-tier (6.7–7.0) SPAA system.
Historical Background
The Hs 117 is a WWII-era surface-to-air missile built by Henschel. The missile was designed by Herbert A. Wagner (also behind the Hs 293 program), and submitted to the RLM in 1941. Unfortunately, it was rejected at the time, as there was no immediate need for additional anti-aircraft weaponry.
In 1943, however, the RLM changed its mind due to the large-scale bombing of Germany. The contract was given to Henschel, and the team was led by Wagner.
The missile entered testing in spring 1944 in both a surface-launched and an air-launched version known as the Hs 117H (more info below). While over half the tests failed, mass production was ordered in December 1944. A production prototype was ready by January 1945, but the rapidly declining state of German industrial capability led to the program being cancelled on February 6th, 1945.
The first blind tests was simulated with W�rzburg radar equipment when the missile was released from an He-111 and controlled from the ground, with acceptable results. According to pilots observations. Other tests were made from September 1944, by the Luftwaffe’s flak units, which had the task of appraising the flak missiles and formulating techniques for their utilisation.
The missile was operated by a two-man crew — one controlling the missile via joystick, and the other using a telescope to keep visual contact with the missile.
Design
With a wealth of experience from the Hs.293 Glide Bomb, Wagner’s team had decided on a line-of-sight controlled missile, small enough to be manhandled by a ground team, but carrying a warhead capable of rendering a B.17 unserviceable from a distance of an approximately 8 yard proximity burst. The Henschel Hs.117 was designed for production with electronic receiver E232 a/b “Colmar”, and proximity fuses “Kakadu” (from Donag), “Marabu” (Siemens) or “Fox” (AEG). Although an electronic guidance system would have been preferred, it was recognised that development time, and current system accuracy would render the project unfeasable. So an optical guidance system which was proven to work was chosen for the first production series, knowing that this could be upgraded to a more sophisticated guidance system when available.
To enable the best performance, the Hs.117 was designed to fly under, but as close to the speed of sound as possible whilst being able to retain good control and manouverability. Initially Henschel promised a speed of 75% of the speed of sound to the RLM, with the intention of increasing this speed during development. Depending on the ability of the missile’s aimer, Henschel were predicting an initially oscillating flight path whilst the target was acquired, with a final straight flight to target. A manouvering limiter was included to keep acceleration to about 7.5G. Control was effected by oscillating spoilers or “Wagnervators” (shown here on the left), which during flight, oscillated evenly at the trailing edge of the wing, until a control signal from the ground caused a greater deflection above or below the wing to induce a roll in the appropriate direction and a so a course correction.
In order to ensure predictibility of flight close to the speed of sound, the airframe was designed to be as symmetrical as possible. However, one asymmetry was the “double” nose with the electrical generator on one aspect and the aerial for the proximity fuse the other. The second asymmetry was the shape of the fuselage at the tail. Tests were made in the high speed wind tunnel of the DVL up to 90% of the speed of sound and the initial design of a square tail was found to give lack of control at higher speeds. As the manufacturing of control components was already committed, a thinner tail could not be used, so interestingly, a tapered tail was used for achieving greater speeds. The production missiles were also carefully examined to remove sources of surface defect, for best speed.
Specifications
Mass:
• 450 kg (990 lb)
• 620 kg (1,370 lb) with launch boosters
Length:
• 4,200 mm (170 in)
Diameter:
• 350 mm (14 in)
Wingspan:
• 2,000 mm (79 in)
Warhead:
• High explosive
Engine:
• 1× BMW 109-558 liquid-fueled rocket engine
• 3.7 kN (830 lbf) thrust for 33 seconds
• 0.588 kN (132 lbf) thrust for an additional 24 seconds
Propellant:
• Fuel: Tonka-250 (50% triethylamine, 50% xylidine)
• Oxidizer: SV-Stoff (nitric acid)
Boost System:
• 2× Schmidding 109-553 solid-fuel boosters (ethylene glycol)
• Total boost thrust: 17.1 kN (3,800 lbf)
• Boost duration: 4 seconds
Operational Range:
• 32 km (20 mi; 17 nmi)
Flight Altitude:
• 6,000–9,000 m (20,000–30,000 ft)
Maximum Speed:
• 900–1,000 km/h (560–620 mph; 490–540 kn)
Guidance System:
• MCLOS (Manual Command to Line of Sight)
• Visual tracking via telescope
• Radio-controlled steering
• Two-man operator team
How Would It Be Implemented in Game?
Version 1: Mobile Surface-to-Air Missile System
Due to the recent addition of multi-vehicle weapon systems in War Thunder (such as the IRIS-T SLM and SLAMRAAM), it opens the door for countless new systems not yet seen in the game. A lower-tier version of these multi-vehicle systems could be the mobile Hs.117 system.
The mobile version of the Hs.117 system includes both a launch vehicle and a guidance vehicle.
The Guidance Truck
This part is a bit more of a stretch, though I don’t see why it couldn’t be added — it’s historically feasible (and as far as I know, accurate).
I’d assume they’d use an Opel Blitz or some other light truck for carrying the guidance system around, I couldn’t find any photos to back this up.
The guidance system would consist of a single truck carrying a ground-based variant of the FuG 203 / FuG 230 radio guidance system (same one used in the Hs 293 and Fritz X, I believe). This truck would be the vehicle you spawn in. You’d have to stop the truck and set up the guidance system — this would include deploying the joystick, telescope, and guidance gear. Once this is set up, you’d then be able to spawn the launch truck.
The Launch System
The launch system in-game would consist of a Sonderanhänger 206 trailer mounted with the missile launcher, along with the towing vehicle (which I’d assume would be a Mercedes L4500 as that truck is specifically mentioned on the trailer’s wiki, no photos of the trailer mounted with the missile launcher being towed exist to my knowledge).
I’m not sure if the missile could be launched directly from the trailer, but I don’t see any reason why it couldn’t. If not, Gaijin could easily require you to stop the truck and deploy the system — something like a 10-second setup phase. While deployed, the launcher couldn’t move, and you’d need to re-mount it before driving again.
Version 2: The Air-to-Air Butterfly
At the same time as the development of the standard Hs 117, they were also developing an air-to-air version known as the Hs 117H. It was, for the most part, identical to the ground-based version.
The launch platforms for this variant included:
• Do 217
• Ju 188
• Ju 388
• He 111
Hs.117H being launched from a He-111
**Sooper Sekrit Version 3[details="Sdkfz.7 mit 20mm Flak mit Flak 88 mit Hs 117
Sources
Sorry if some of this info may be incorrect, I’m tired ahh hell from a 11 hour drive and my internet isn’t good rn.
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