Maybe 120D would get better seeker and which would make it be better than 120C and hence justifying its BR. If not then i really cannot think of any explanation of it being 14.3 and not 14.0
P sure there is no info available on the seeker performance of these missiles. Devs could be nice and maybe give it the same seeker performance as the ingame MICA.
F-16I is at 14.0 and that is worse than the new F-16C (The F-16I radar is so unbelievably bad for 14.0 that the extra CMs and MAW don’t make up for it).
Also I think it’s mostly fine against the J-10C.
Both F-16I and F-16C B52 should go to 13.7. These planes have no business being any higher.
Also when is the F-16I FM fix coming Gaijin!?!?!?
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Indeed there is no public info, but as you said devs could give it same seeker performance as mica so that it could help US winrates to go up just like the intended to do. So i do expect it to get better seeker
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The new F-16C has absolutely no business being the same BR as the F-16I lmao, that would be a hate crime against the F-16I.
Many such cases, vehicles at the same BR can’t always be exactly equal to each other in performance. Small differences are acceptable IMO. But again, the core issue of this entire topic can be solved with just some proper decompression of the game.
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The F-16I is in such a weird spot really. It’s better than the F-16C and thus wouldn’t make much sense to be at the same BR as it, but it also way below the F-15E at 14.0
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The J-11B is a way better plane than the F-16C yet its at the same BR. The difference between the F-16I and the F-16C B50 are really minimal and do not warrant a BR difference.
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Yeah, and considering that the F-2A is also at 13.7, you might have a point there.
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Better decompression should have given it a good br to be at, but sadly we did not get good decompression
I just realized all my posts are arguing against BR compression… because for some reason people are demanding the equivalent of putting Tornado F3 Late and F-15C at the same BR.
Israel does not have an F-16C Block 50 in-game.
F-15C GE also has 12 missile stores, and over 600 countermeasures on top of that AESA radar.
F-18F isn’t an F-18E.
Cool, then F-14 hasn’t been unique in capability the moment F-15A arrived, and right now F-15A is 0.7 BRs lower than F-14B would be with 9Ms.
Okay, this I can do.
Spoiler
Easiest to learn aircraft: P-51C, use this to learn the importance of energy states and dogfighting without a turnfighter.
P-51H-5NA, the best dogfighter of the BR area, OP aircraft easy to fly.
P-63s are great aircraft that aren’t OP, great dogfighting teaching tool.
F-4C, use it. Amazing fighter, and probably the best lessons in missile leading and jet energy management. No countermeasures which means you’re relying on your positioning and energy management to survive.
After all that, the strong jets: F-8E, F-18A [OP}, F-18C, F-18E, F-15A [OP].
F-15 is probably one of the strongest high altitude aircraft in the game holding a staggering 240 countermeasures. Running a 60:180 or 90:150 split is easy to do.
F-15C GE? You are the BVR bus, no one matches you in raw offensive-defensive capabilities, and because of that you’re heavy. You won’t be dogfighting, you’ll be managing radar.
If you love managing radars, this is the plane for you if you also love speed.
@zuckerburqer
This topic is about US top tier and its relation to other tech trees.
The time to climb of F-16C-52 is faster than F-16C Block 50.
AAM-4, PL-12s, AIM-120C onward lacking HOBS due to lack of dual plane is a serious matter.
AIM-120C onward should have their correct agility.
Su-30SM2…
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Would you mind telling me the climb difference between the two in percentages? (x climbs faster than z by 5% for example)
Dual plane manouvering isn’t coming any time soon. It makes more sense to look for solutions that can help us right now rather than years into the future.
The SM2, SM, Rafale are way more offensive planes than the 15C GE. They have better missiles with better flight models and radars (in the case of the SM2). He doesn’t have any of these vehicles btw, so he most likely doesn’t even know what he is talking about.
yea F18E is straight up ass lol, easily the shittiest plane at top tier. F15C GE is actually okay now, not good and not bad
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I would’ve said that if it had high countermeasure count. :)
Trust me I already considered it.
Countermeasure count, supersonic energy retention, BVR missile count, and speed.
I can only imagine if you gave Su-30SM2 the countermeasure count of F-15C GE… monsterous.
98 Large calibre countermeasures on a plane like the SM2 are more than enough. I cannot think of a single time i ran out of CM’s on the SU-30’s.
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Su-30 has same missile count + superior missiles
Better radar (an actually usable horizontal gimbal) even though it’s PESA
98x countermeasures is fine at 14.7
You also get the R-27ER which lets you absolutely bully literally anyone since you can guide it while notching
Anyways, the conversation is entirely derailed now. Lets switch back to the actual topic on if the 120D will actually help or not (answer is no).
Also, i still dont understand why they didn’t add the F-15EX this update when it wouldn’t have even been top 3 in the game.