i mean they did say specific version.
So i think there is other KV1s finland had they could have gotten?
No
KV-1B 1941 and KV-1A early(1942) are and were the only KV-1’s that worked and were in Finnish service.
Imo the only reason the tiger 2 was added was because it fills the 2nd heavy tank that Finland could’ve offered. Personally i still disagree with that logic since the KV-1B value is that there is a version exclusive to Germany. Buying a new Finnish KV-1B doesn’t make it any less valuable given you fight German 75s
lmao bruh
you are worse than german and russian mains combined
also technically poland and sweden were enemies for like 400 years, though thats far in the past and kind of a joke now
400 years? Those are rookie numbers we’ve had the longest amount of time dealing with them and we even did it 7 times while under the same union lmao.
Though we are in agreement we make more sense with sweden then Germany hell we’re even currently under the same alliance (Danmark btw)
Polands 400 year squabble is smol numbers lol
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With all due respect, sir, I have to object to your point. While these helicopters are not yet in the game, China has a total of four such models, all equipped with DIRCM (Directional Infrared Countermeasures) and fire-and-forget missiles—including the Z-20 Assault Variant and Z-21. The Z-20 is already in active service, whereas the Z-21 is still in the testing phase. I suggest Sweden try to acquire Pakistan’s Z-10ME. The Pakistani Z-10ME is identical to the Z-10 already in China’s tech tree; after all, there is no need for China’s tree to add another completely identical Z-10M
i would just like to bring to everyone’s attention that Sweden has multiple UH-60 Blackhawks currently in service…
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Which don’t have the mounts for Hellfire
this shows otherwise
Spoiler
Im not ikea pilled enough to get this, is this a swedish Helicopter?
No, it is not, it is a US owned one. However, Sweden has 15 in service and more ordered. and even if the image is a different varient, the hardpoints stay the same throughout the varients
That’d be a pretty roundabout way of getting a MH-60 w/ Hellfires (which wouldn’t be FnF anyways tbf)
A Norwegian or D*nish MH-60R would be the better more reasonable fit imo.
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Why you gotta do us like the Fr🤢nch?
The Swedish tree is still in need of a stronger top tier helicopter, and the Danish MH 60R seems like the best realistic option available.
Denmark has been approved to acquire AGM 114R Hellfire missiles together with M299 launchers:
It would sadly not give Sweden DIRCM, but it would be the first helicopter available to the Swedish tree with a MAW system, which would already be a major improvement in survivability.
Another interesting point is the M299 launcher. Lockheed Martin lists JAGM as one of the weapons supported by the launcher:
This could potentially give the Swedish tree access to FnF helicopter missile.
As has also been established previously, War Thunder does not always require a specific nation to have actually operated or fired every weapon available to a vehicle. There are already examples of vehicles receiving compatible weapons that the specific operator did not use.
Because of that, I think the Danish MH 60R would fill a very important gap in the Swedish helicopter tree. Even with only AGM 114R it would be a significant upgrade, while its M299 compatibility also gives it much more potential for future weapon additions such as JAGM.
Regarding DIRCM:
This is more of a stretch than the Hellfire/JAGM argument, but there is at least a documented route for the MH 60R to receive DIRCM.
US Navy budget documentation for Tactical Air Directional Infrared Countermeasures (TADIRCM) specifically discusses DAIRCM integration and retrofit for the MH 60R/S fleet, including a planned retrofit population of 397 aircraft.
So while I do not argue that the Danish MH 60Rs themselves currently operate DIRCM, the system was clearly intended for integration on the MH 60R airframe.
That could make DIRCM an option for the aircraft in game, depending on how Gaijin treats planned/tested equipment compared with equipment actually fielded by the specific operator.
The AGM-114Rs have no tangible improvement over other AGM-114s, especially since they have identical range [11km is what you get from AGM-114Bs if you move forward at 180kph, but Gaijin won’t implement that].
4x AGMs is also worse than the Apache.
It should be added, maybe JAGM should be given but i am slightly against DIRCM, also is it LDIRCM or just normal DIRCM which is found in current blackhawk in game?
it would have 4 which yes is less than apaches
but it would have MAW which the AHS lacks
and if the JAGMs which do fit on the launcher are added its the only way for sweden to have FnF missles on a heli
Would need explicit confirmation that helicopter can use JAGMs.
AH-64E is a software revision.
I’d say at minimum a software revision needs to exist on Blackhawks as well.
plenty of planes dont have the software to use weapons they use ingame
and then to the next poit what else is there
Zero aircraft in-game have weapons their software cannot fire, zero.
The most noted example is the R-27ER which identifies itself as R-27 in older fire control systems, but is still identified & fired.
Cause much like AIM-9M, it’s compatible with AIM-9L launch systems.
the SA gripen im pretty sure is a more limited version that does not have the software to fire all the ground weapons it has ingame