Yes.
He is saying that
- there is a gap between F-15E/I and F-15C/JM thanks to engine thrust.
- so don’t tie all four into the same group.
He might agree that F-15C/E are creating power creep.
Cool story bro, hope you can pull the flag out of your throat someday
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The gap is the same exact gap between F-16AM and F-16C.
Same weapons, identical engine difference, similar radars.
That’s the thing.
Because F-15E powercreeps F-15C which already powercrept everything else.
F-15E has unique capabilities owing to its superiority to F-15C.
F-15E/F-15I → F-15J(M)/F-15C → Everyone
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This post already addresses that:
Your post is implying there should be a 0.3 BR difference between the F-16C and F-16AM, which there obviously shouldn’t be.
Just cause the engines are more powerful doesn’t mean that’s enough of a change to warrant a change in BR.
Wanting to change F-15E but not F-15JM/C is pure American bias and wanting F-15s to stay OP.
An F-15JM and F-15E fight each other, they draw despite the engine difference.
In a dogfight that’s inconclusive at this time.
In air RB both play an equal role in being OP.
The reason why it matters is F-15E is now the fastest plane by a significant margin to the second place plane.
It does when you are the single fastest and with the longest range maneuverable ARH missiles. You can do things no other plane can match, they can merely imitate. There is no counterplay against absolute advantage with no drawback.
F-15E climbs faster than F-15C, it then goes faster in a straight line quicker, it gets to fire the longest range maneuverable missile with much more energy.
If you cannot understand the holistic intricacies of how such a radical shift in flight performance on already the best jet, creates a new paradigm, there’s nothing that can be said to you.
This is just false. No reality in this statement. Only a significant disparity in player skill can cause this outcome.
Nerf all F-15 and nerf F-15E/I more since they are stronger. differences of 5% or other trivial values are cause for identical BR, or for some asymmetrical differences with strengths and weaknesses that create strategy and counter-play.
There is none against F-15E.
only nerf F-15E if realistic. it doesnt have any particularly overpowered weapons and only good thing about it is straight line speed and acceleration and good payload
It’s not significant. Pre-nerf it was a mach ~0.08 difference.
Post-nerf it’s not tested. It’s as-fast as F-15C with conformals attached [for now].
The airframe is the same, and YOU can’t know if F-15E is superior to F-15C in War Thunder because they’re both under-BR’d by at least 0.3.
Cross analysis of them say they’re equal for random battles, just as the cross-anslysis of F-16AM and F-16C determines that.
Post-nerf maneuverability also hasn’t been tested.
All 4 should be brought up to 14.0 immediately.
When decompression happens and 13.0 becomes 13.3, and 14.0 becomes 14.3, maybe data after that decompression can show whether or not F-15E is indeed superior to F-15C in practice among random battles.
BR nerf, or other balance. I don’t support unrealistic changes.
There is nothing balanced about how good AIM-120 is compared to most other ARH and how much harder AIM-9M is to flare than the other IR missiles at the BR. None of these are individually a problem, but marginally the best in every way makes a toxic package.
Ok, you can’t understand how all the small advantages add up when taken as a whole.
Yeah I can because the same airframe but stronger engines makes it better. Makes it better for everything BVR and Dogfighting. Show me an example where having weaker engines is beneficial?
At least, I say 14.7 for F-15E/I
The data will never show so long as F-15E fights itself. If Gaijin hardlocked national compositions to be era appropriate, we would have a very, very different balance.
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Munitions carried by 4.5 gen jets can outrange SAMS, if you need stealth so bad just use an attacker as I said.
Do you know what IRST stands for? Infrared SEARCH and track. It will scan for an infrared signature and track it. That’s literally the entire point.
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The F-35 is a Multirole Fighter/Attacker/Bomber. :/
The F-22 can do the same thing.
The non-stealth Aircraft can’t go deep into enemy detection range and do deep strike missions. They can’t take out important military targets undetected with the ability to fight back.
I’m well aware, but I’m also aware that it slashes your total firing range and detection range when compared to a radar, which means you’re screwed if an F-22 Pilot is the one you fight. They’re more than capable of taking you out than you are to them in a Typhoon or any non-stealth fighter.
You’re only going to pick them up if you’re looking for them, but that’s not going to happen. You don’t pick your targets in a fight like that. You don’t even know when and where to specifically look to find it.
The only reason an F-117 was ever shot down was because the US got predictable, and the Enemy Radar System got creative at using their system to pick up the tiniest movement.
Your assumption that a Typhoon can take out an F-22 requires that the Typhoon pilot know the direction of its enemy and the aircraft it’s engaging, which will not happen in reality.
To use your nukes. That’s it
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Well, Typhoon is more than capable of seeing F22 within 100km, which is when AMRAAM can be really used. Meanwhile, Meteor.
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Do you have a source for this?
Yeah, and if they hadnt got insanely lucky the F-117 wouldn’t have been shot down.
As much as I hate to say it, the US massively leads in stealth (And honestly just military R&D in general). You are being a bit ingracious to europe, though - their fighters arent bad by any margin, and in all honesty the amount the US spends on our military is excessive.
Talking about stealth aircraft’a capabilities is useless anyways, beyond maybe ths F-117 we dont have any hard data.
F-22 can’t withstand search within short enough range. They have to expose to fire, since they have to open up. RWR also won’t help hidding away.
As we said, if F-117 was truly just shot down for being predicted that will be that, but it was detected, whilst being more ‘stealth’ than F22 for not optimising flight performance.
It’s not optimized for any of these things. If it wants to stay stealthy an F-35A can carry 5,700lbs of internal storage. A Eurofighter can carry 16,535lbs of storage. You tell me what will have a bigger impact.
That’s what a strategic bomber is for. Congrats on not even knowing what the aircraft you’re talking about are designed to do. Every country could use a stealth bomber.
Step 1: Fire LOAL missile
Step 2: Wait until you pick it up
Step 3: Use data found to guide missile using datalink
It’s not hard to figure out. A Typhoons EW system is more than enough to mitigate the range of an F-22s radar to put it on par.
The Azimuth and Elevation range of PIRATE is 150° x 60°. Its comical if you think that won’t find a head on IR signature.
You clearly don’t understand the garbage you are slinging together.
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Guys you’re gradually shifting from the main goal of the thread itself, please bring it back to topic.
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If you’re going to do that, at least be unbiased and remove all of his as well.
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lol Don’t know if that much decompression can happen that quickly.
It faces a diverse array of jets.
The game would die and there’d be zero players, game would be bankrupt, and gaming would be without good air sims for god knows how long.