Why the US is getting the skink?

[FlyingOstridge]

@BSpiel8

many of Gaijin’s decisions nowadays rely on how easily they can add an identical copy of a vehicle to another tree.

I’m still waiting for Britain to get a Leo 2A4 and T-72M1. If everyone else with a sub tree gets these vehicles then why not South Africa?
Same as Indian MiG-29’s. would be the 9-12A and SMT with a better camo.

[EddieVanHalo]

@AR M4Sopmod2@live

Why the US is getting the skink when they refused the project or tested the vehicle.

Becuse Gaijin need to fill a gap in the US tech tree that has been there years and they are too lazy to think of anything else and add it. So copy paste as ususul and the Skink is rubbish anyway

[SinisterIsRandom]

One cause they don’t own the Leopard 2A4, and while it was a potential replacement back in 2010, it wasn’t chosen.

Besides that South Africa only acquired 2 to test them. One of them has been modified into the T-72FDS back in 06 which is only used for tank shows at this current point. Also because no one has suggested them.

[FlyingOstridge]

@SinisterIsRandom

Also because no one has suggested them.

You serious?

T-72M1 (TIGER)

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Introduction: During 1990 South Africa acquired two T-72M1’s from Poland to be used in Operation Carbenet evaluation trials which took place between 5 March and 18 May 1990. South Africa acquired the T72’s in order to learn its strengths and weakness and how it compared to the South African army’s tanks and armed cars at the time. Once the trials where over three South African defence firms (LIW, Kentron, Eleptro) of the Denel group set out develop a weapon system upgrade pa…

T-72M1 (ATE/IST)

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Introduction: Between 2003 and 2005 two South African defence firms ATE International and IST Dynamics were contracted by the Algerian army to upgrade their BMP-1 and T-72M1 tanks. For this forum post we will focus on the T-72M1 upgrade. The testing and evaluating of the upgrades where done in South Africa, with the defence firms utilising one of the T-72M1 tanks as a test platform which have been acquired in 1990 from Poland as part of Operation Carbenet. The upgrade includ…

T-72M1 (ZA-35)

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Introduction: During 1990 South Africa acquired two T-72M1’s from Poland to be used in Operation Carbenet evaluation trials which took place between 5 March and 18 May 1990. South Africa acquired the T72’s in order to learn its strengths and weakness and how it compared to the South African army’s tanks and armed cars at the time. Once the trials were over South African defence firm Kentron of the Denel group, conduct further experiments by installing the ZA-35 turret, origi…

T-72M1 (T6)

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Introduction: During 1990 South Africa acquired two T-72M1’s from Poland to be used in Operation Carbenet evaluation trials which took place between 5 March and 18 May 1990. South Africa acquired the T72’s in order to learn its strengths and weakness and how it compared to the South African army’s tanks and armed cars at the time. Once the trials were over South African defence firm LIW (Lyttelton Engineering Works) of the Denel group set out to develop a turret which could …

[someweirdname]

they were very loud and didn’t stop

now they get this Foreign thing, but they’ll keep going when anyone else get sth based on their stuff

[HMSD33Dauntless]

I partially understand why, they are missing more SPAAs at mid ranks. But it still seems like a strange choice to me. There’s a lot of domestic AA they could be getting instead, I don’t think they should also get the Skink unless they tested it at least. The key difference is probably that the Skink has decent armor for an SPAA and the US doesn’t have a lot of armored SPAAs, but I still think they could’ve found something. The T52, T36, and possibly T77 and T100 seem like plausible options for armored SPAAs. However, the T52 would likely be lower in tier, the T36 and T77 still seem to have open hatches, and the T77 and T100 both seem like they would have thin armor anyway still. So I’m not sure they would fill the same niche. Still, the US has a TON of domestic AA that could be added and I don’t think they necessarily needed the Skink.

[soymilkman]

The hull is a sherman made in canada. It would not exist without the US. Its a slight stretch, but getting something is better than nothing.

[soymilkman]

Also, why are people salty? Talking about US mains crying? Its not helpful, and ignores the problem of having insufficient AA. Is having gaps in AA supposed to be fun? Players should be happy with it? Very odd.

[SinisterIsRandom]

I was not aware of that. However, none of those are the FDS. Nor “South African” Leo 2A4.

[Carno308]

Sweden acquired a T-80U for testing, never modified them or operated them past testing and yet they got it as a squadron vehicle, same for the Mi-28 as a premium

A South African Leo 2A4 is very much on the table for Gaijin, hopes should be tempered though as it’s probably the last vehicle on a long list of vehicles the UK could get.

[EddieVanHalo]

@soymilkman

The hull is a sherman made in canada. It would not exist without the US. Its a slight stretch

So are we doing vehicle realism in historical or are we not ? Just give the Yanks the Wirbel if not or give British tanks the 50cal

[SinisterIsRandom]

The Leopard certainly is on the table however they never acquired them, it was just there to potentially make South Africa a potential buyer however going off current updates they were not interested. So yes and no for this.

[Sandsmann]

Clearly Italy should get every tank ever built in one comically large subtree because an Italian invented the tank concept first.

It will never not be funny seeing Brit mains begging for the Abrams, They already have American copy-paste’s but suddenly its an issue when they have to share one (bad) tank in return?

[Zyranovos]

I’m not even a British main, I’m a Swedish main XD

I still think the AIM should have got to Britain because it’s Australian, a country that used to be a part of Britain, they got the F-111 from Australia, why not their abrams?

Not to mention the “Italian tank” that was made from wood would hold up well in game, not to mention it wasn’t built. It’s Leonardo DaVinci’s tank, and would be:

• useless in game

• useless irl

• not classified as a tank

The true inventor of the armored and armed tank was a British man, his name being William Tritton.

Also, I’d like to know what British tanks are copied from the US tech tree.

[RunaDacino]

I’d love an april’s fool event with that thing and hussite war caravan thingies.

[Sandsmann]

@Zyranovos

Also, I’d like to know what British tanks are copied from the US tech tree.

The Stuarts and the M109, They already had loads of light tanks already in the game that fill the same role yet got those anyway, The M109 should have been the AS-90 instead(Fires faster so would probably be higher BR but still), Plus the G6 was already in the game and had its BR lowered to nearly the same spot.
Might not sound like much but it gets worse across all the trees, There is an entire third of the TT sprinkled around with the majority of them either already having equivalents or ones that have been suggested instead.
There are threads about giving them the T14(They didn’t build and they rejected it) The M24(They already have loads of low tier lights) The M22(Only one that makes any sense but still have plenty of lights) the M4A2 75 (old forums) so all of those are probably on the way.

@Zyranovos

Not to mention the “Italian tank” that was made from wood would hold up well in game, not to mention it wasn’t built. It’s Leonardo DaVinci’s tank, and would be:

• useless in game
• useless irl
• not classified as a tank

The pic wasn’t a real suggestion its a joke about the Italians coming up with the concept first.

@Zyranovos

I still think the AIM should have got to Britain because it’s Australian, a country that used to be a part of Britain, they got the F-111 from Australia, why not their abrams?

Because they already have, in the game at this very moment, Loads of their own MBT’s and the AIM was in fact, Used by the US, While also being an American made tank with an American made upgrade package, It has even less to do with the Brits than even the Skink has to the Americans(They supplied the engine and some other parts at least), Neither should be copied, But its funny how one instance is treated as an equal to the other when they are not even from the same era or class of vehicle.

TL:DR: Copy paste is out of hand and surrounded by hypocrisy.

[Sandsmann]

Don’t forget this too.
Would be hilarious to see this flying around dropping little hand grenade sized bombs in some goofy event lol.

[Zyranovos]

@Sandsmann

The Stuarts and the M109

So, one joint projects between the US and UK and one that they simply used?

As for the rest, they have no deal with having those.

@Sandsmann

Because they already have, in the game at this very moment, Loads of their own MBT’s and the AIM was in fact, Used by the US, While also being an American made tank with an American made upgrade package, It has even less to do with the Brits than even the Skink has to the Americans(They supplied the engine and some other parts at least), Neither should be copied, But its funny how one instance is treated as an equal to the other when they are not even from the same era or class of vehicle.

Congrats on learning how the sale of military equipment works. That aside, by your logic, Sweden shouldn’t have their Strv 121/122 tanks because they are German produced (Rheinmetall/KMW), so you’re presenting a hard double negative.

An export is an export, no matter the seller nor buyer.

[BSpiel8]

@Sandsmann

The Stuarts and the M109, They already had loads of light tanks already in the game that fill the same role yet got those anyway, The M109 should have been the AS-90 instead(Fires faster so would probably be higher BR but still), Plus the G6 was already in the game and had its BR lowered to nearly the same spot.

A few more,

• Sherman II: Near identical to the M4A1, only real difference being late war US APCR that could be added to the American tank as well, which somehow justifies a BR increase of .3 over the former.
• Grant I: This tank is a version of the M3 Lee specifically designed for the British. The US version of the tank was added with the release of the American ground tree as a bundle vehicle. Despite this, when the British version arrived almost two years later, it ended up as an event vehicle. As a result, it was largely unobtainable outside of the marketplace, unlike the US version which was reinstated during War Thunder’s 6th anniversary in 2018 as a GE premium.
• M4A5: Similarly to the Grant, this vehicle arrived in America first (ironically right around the time that Britain got its Grant as an event reward), and until recently, no plans were known to give it to Britain. Unless Gaijin removes it from sale in the USA tree, I suspect it will end up largely as a copied premium with little to no incentive to buy the British version over the American one.

[Sandsmann]

@Zyranovos

So, one joint projects between the US and UK and one that they simply used?

“Joint project” aka they just bought them?

@Zyranovos

Congrats on learning how the sale of military equipment works. That aside, by your logic, Sweden shouldn’t have their Strv 121/122 tanks because they are German produced (Rheinmetall/KMW), so you’re presenting a hard double negative.

An export is an export, no matter the seller nor buyer.

Soooo wheres America’s T-72’s, T-80’s, T-90’s, Hinds, Pantsir and others? They purchased loads of those from many different nations and actively use them in training, Where exactly does the line get drawn?
Hell they even modified centurions, Why not give them one of those too?
Lets just remove tech trees all together and just make everything mixed only.