Why the Removal of the R2Y2’s from War Thunder is a Mistake

That’s not in the game.

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Yes, that is the testbed vehicle used for the quad 30mm gun mount, which has been erroneously named Zerstorer 45.

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Because I like the history behind them, and don’t want to look into something only to find out Gaijin made it up.

I personally don’t care if it was completed or not, but I at least want the design to be real. I think for this unfinished prototypes are the perfect line, because having components built means there’s a level of dedication and completion that makes it a good addition for the game, it saves the “almost complete” or “last second cancelled” vehicles, and it’s the suggestion rules already, so using it for the game streamlines the process and makes it seem more logical and fair for players.

Nope that’s the exact opposite of what I keep saying a lot here.

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I don’t think anyone would argue that Spielberger isn’t reputable. The most you could say about him is that he’s responsible for the Panther II 8.8 debacle, but even then, he did his best to correct his original mistakes. As far as the Ostwind II goes, Hillary Doyle recently called Spielberger’s conclusions into question. He said, based on his research, it’s highly unlikely a single Ostwind II was ever produced as the modifications needed to the gun mount and the need for a new turret design were beyond the capabilities of Ostbau Sagan so late in the war.

As for the “Destroyer 45,” he found details of the testing of the quad 30mm gun on a Mobelwagen chassis, but that’s as far as the Ostbau reports say the project went.

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Now it probably doesn’t matter, but these planes should go in exchange for R2Y2:

  1. Nakajima Ki-201 Karyū

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Nakajima Ki-201

Nakajima Ki-201 Karyū “Fire Dragon” (キ201 火龍) - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

  1. Kawasaki T-33A Wakataka

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Kawasaki T-33A

Kawasaki T-33A Wakataka

  1. De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55

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De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55

Japanese De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55 - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

  1. Fuji T-1A Hatsutaka

Fuji T-1A

Fuji T-1A - Suggestions - Devs / Passed - War Thunder — official forum

  1. Fuji T-1B Hatsutaka

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Fuji T-1B

Fuji T-1B Hatsutaka - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

  1. Fuji T-1B-10 Hatsutaka

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Fuji T-1B-10

Fuji T-1B-10/C Hatsutaka - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

  1. North American F-86F-25

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  1. Kawasaki XT-4

Kawasaki XT-4

Kawasaki XT-4, Potent with Potential - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

  1. Mitsubishi J8M1 (optional)

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Mitsubishi J8M1

Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

Aircraft such as the Kawasaki P-1, Suzuka-24 or Kyushu J7W2 are not suitable as successors to the R2Y2 aircraft.

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Gaijin had 10 years to add just anything from this historic accurate planes (the only little problem is Ki-201 which wasn’t finished) but we got simple copypaste of F-84

It is no longer an extension of the branch due to the small number of applicants, it is just ignoring the problems of the Japanese TT.

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Unfortunately, according to Gajin, Japan is only a the best anti-aircraft truck in the world (XD)

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And even about Kamikaze, 250kg bombs for A6M5 was long time claimed as “kamikaze only, it can’t drop it” what is totally lie and myth which can be disproved even with US books from 1970s

For the same reason we don’t have 250kg on A6M2 at the moment

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I think. Gajin wants the Japanese to feel like the summer of 1945. To be dominated on land (for example, the Chi-Nu, which cannot penetrate the M4), in the air (planes stolen from armament and overstated) and at sea (although I’m not sure about that).

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No, the problem with “balance” and statistic

I still laughing how Japanese 75mm cannon tanks has realod time much longer then Germany and US tanks while it has much comfortable construction like modern MBT. It is idiotic as for me

Meanwhile both Japanese and US sources claims that M4 can be pend from ~600m

And even notorious Kamikaze mechanic don’t work in game but meanwhile here is much other nations players who doing kamikaze bomb run at GRB on F8F

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It always irritated me. I died many times in a Japanese M16 by ramming a dead enemy fighter, and when I played Japanese fighters, it never happened to me

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  1. Mitsubishi J8M1 (optional)

U know whats funny, ingame statistics wise we have the J8M1 but the fuselage is the Ki-200, and put the name as Ki-200 despite the file names is J8M1. Currently it’s a frankenstein of the Ki-200 and J8M1, would be nice to actually get BOTH versions

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I don’t get this mentality that every vehicle from a sub-tree has to come to the tree. India is apparently a subtree, and yet we don’t see the Indian Rafales, Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000s, Tejas, MiG-29, Ayeja, BMP-2, etc. If it really is such a problem, it doesn’t need to come.

By extension, the Thai subtree- we still lack the F-5TH Super, F-16A ADF, F-16A (e)MLU / MLU,etc.

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Extend on that further, no nation in game has all vehicles. I’d even say that the game would probably die off before even a single nation gets all vehicles.

If Gaijin really want to avoid a controversy around a single vehicle, they can do it without anyone noticing.

This too. The US has so many experimental and prototype aircraft that can be added, that its kind of insane. They’d also have to do Yak-41M treatment with some, which in of itself is controversial.

I think it would have been interesting to implement an R2Y2 that was realistic to the plans that existed at the time, with underwing engine nacelles, no cannon armament, and about 1 tonne of explosive ordnance. Although design drawings of R2Y2 are not known to have survived, the model of R2Y2 V1 that already exists in-game is a realistic basis.

R2Y2 was a real project, and although conversion work did not begin due to the delays in the development of the Ne-330 turbojet (which was bombed in April 1945), the R2Y1 itself was only completed and tested to serve as a test plane to gather data for R2Y2. This is because the plan to develop R2Y1 as a recon plane was abandoned in the summer or autumn of 1944.

The Navy’s prototype completion schedule of R2Y2 was very rapid, probably because existing R2Y1 airframes would be converted in a relatively straightforward manner.

R2Y2 is more “real” than something like the jet J7W, which was only a concept and not an actual project, and arguably closer to realization than Ki-201, considering that the airframe it would be modified from already existed.

The version of Kikka that exists in-game is also a frankenstein between the actually prototyped special attack model (which had no gun armament, even if mass produced) and the design-only fighter model that was to use Ne-20 Kai turbojets (which themselves were never completed). This plane is about as tangible as R2Y2 V1 itself.

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Little that he knows last year the engine cowl’s were found

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The version of Kikka that exists in-game is also a frankenstein between the actually prototyped special attack model (which had no gun armament, even if mass produced) and the design-only fighter model that was to use Ne-20 Kai turbojets (which themselves were never completed). This plane is about as tangible as R2Y2 V1 itself.

About that



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The “engine cowl” was not found. They found two nozzles and a nozzle cover of incomplete Ne-230 prototype turbojets.

There are documents that even state that the Ki-201 itself was 0% completed, and only manufacturing drawings had been completed. The full-scale wooden mockup of Ki-201 was not finished when the war ended.

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