The issue is though that the Kai V2 and Kai V3 are almost entirely fictional. The Kai V1 being removed is complete bs especially as it was very much doable with what was known about jet technologies of the time.
In my opinion though, Gaijin removing them is incredibly detrimental in a tree that only has one domestic jet *at Rank V(it can be argued the Kikka is different enough from the Schwalbes that it is its own seperate airframe, and the Ki-200 is too close to the Me-163 to warrent that) outside of the three R2Y2s. If Gaijin is going to remove these, at least give us a J7W2 and remove the Ostwind II or change its model entirely.
Even more, the R2Y2s aren’t hurting anything. They’re peak mid at 8.0 seeinf jets from the Korean war while being the size of a whale and having the turn rate of a warehouse
Excuse me but have you even read what he wrote?
The “Eastwind II” prototype was developed by “Ostbau-Sagan”
The pro-totype being completed by “Ostbau-Sagan” in January, 1945 and then issued to the Armored Re-plenishment and Training Regiment stationed in Ohrdruf/Thuringia.
Excuse me but have you even read what he wrote?
Yes, however consider the following
Which also had the weapon system built and tested on the Möbelwagen chassis, same as the one in game. It’s not even an unfinished prototype, but just a completed vehicle. I’d even argue the final Wirbelwind style turreted variant might count as unfinished prototype.
R2Y2s on the other hand never existed the way they do in game. In the game they have Ne-330 engines, the final engine selected for R2Y2, still we get V2 and V3 designs meant for the Ne-30 that was discarded as soon as the Ne-330 became available. Then all of the R2Y2s have cannons that were not part of the actual R2Y2 design, and carry bombs but no torpedoes that were the only weapon mentioned for it.
I’m all for a historical R2Y2, I fully support unfinished prototype additions that a historical one would be, but it’s not like the ones in the game.
Why do we only want historical vehicles ingame?
I’m dodging aim-9s in my Me-262,
Taking guided missles when in my tiger tank,
Fighting on modern maps with my WWI and WWII tank and dodging gepard SPAA in my prop plane.
But noooo, unfinished planes that have very predictable stats, fill techtree and lineup gaps, is to much to ask…
First about it - one question is about games creating and other things which is only game balance but in-game vehicles and its performances is more historic question (and of course some of them is balance but more things like weapon list)
Please don’t mess our words. I don’t against unfinished planes especially if it was on late stage of creating. For example I really wanna see S1A Denko (For this one even document I have) and Ki-91, or Ho-Ri II prototype with 50% of ready.
But R2Y2 (even first one) in game is fake because of 30mm guns. And tbh planes on so early stages of creating is not really interesting for me, like Ki-201 which was too early at creating. Also J7W2 looks like also wasn’t even producing plane so hard to say it unfinished plane…
Could replace the R2Y2’s we have now to the prototype one as a replacement
Yeah, it this point it doesn’t even matter.
Like what’s the the point of historical vehicles when they don’t fight in historical settings.
If an IS-2 fights both Jagdpanzer 4-5s and Panzerhaubitze 2000s, then you might as well have it fight Panthers with long 88s or Tiger IIs with 105mm guns.
Or when a 3.7 P-51 fights a 1940 Bf 109 with ammo from 1943/44.
That’s not in the game.
interesting
Yes, that is the testbed vehicle used for the quad 30mm gun mount, which has been erroneously named Zerstorer 45.
Because I like the history behind them, and don’t want to look into something only to find out Gaijin made it up.
I personally don’t care if it was completed or not, but I at least want the design to be real. I think for this unfinished prototypes are the perfect line, because having components built means there’s a level of dedication and completion that makes it a good addition for the game, it saves the “almost complete” or “last second cancelled” vehicles, and it’s the suggestion rules already, so using it for the game streamlines the process and makes it seem more logical and fair for players.
Nope that’s the exact opposite of what I keep saying a lot here.
I don’t think anyone would argue that Spielberger isn’t reputable. The most you could say about him is that he’s responsible for the Panther II 8.8 debacle, but even then, he did his best to correct his original mistakes. As far as the Ostwind II goes, Hillary Doyle recently called Spielberger’s conclusions into question. He said, based on his research, it’s highly unlikely a single Ostwind II was ever produced as the modifications needed to the gun mount and the need for a new turret design were beyond the capabilities of Ostbau Sagan so late in the war.
As for the “Destroyer 45,” he found details of the testing of the quad 30mm gun on a Mobelwagen chassis, but that’s as far as the Ostbau reports say the project went.
Now it probably doesn’t matter, but these planes should go in exchange for R2Y2:
- Nakajima Ki-201 Karyū
Nakajima Ki-201
- Kawasaki T-33A Wakataka
Kawasaki T-33A
- De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55
De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55
Japanese De Havilland D.H.115 Vampire T.55 - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum
- Fuji T-1A Hatsutaka
- Fuji T-1B Hatsutaka
- Fuji T-1B-10 Hatsutaka
- North American F-86F-25
- Kawasaki XT-4
Kawasaki XT-4
Kawasaki XT-4, Potent with Potential - Suggestions / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum
- Mitsubishi J8M1 (optional)
Aircraft such as the Kawasaki P-1, Suzuka-24 or Kyushu J7W2 are not suitable as successors to the R2Y2 aircraft.
Gaijin had 10 years to add just anything from this historic accurate planes (the only little problem is Ki-201 which wasn’t finished) but we got simple copypaste of F-84
It is no longer an extension of the branch due to the small number of applicants, it is just ignoring the problems of the Japanese TT.
Unfortunately, according to Gajin, Japan is only a the best anti-aircraft truck in the world (XD)
And even about Kamikaze, 250kg bombs for A6M5 was long time claimed as “kamikaze only, it can’t drop it” what is totally lie and myth which can be disproved even with US books from 1970s
For the same reason we don’t have 250kg on A6M2 at the moment
I think. Gajin wants the Japanese to feel like the summer of 1945. To be dominated on land (for example, the Chi-Nu, which cannot penetrate the M4), in the air (planes stolen from armament and overstated) and at sea (although I’m not sure about that).
No, the problem with “balance” and statistic
I still laughing how Japanese 75mm cannon tanks has realod time much longer then Germany and US tanks while it has much comfortable construction like modern MBT. It is idiotic as for me
Meanwhile both Japanese and US sources claims that M4 can be pend from ~600m
And even notorious Kamikaze mechanic don’t work in game but meanwhile here is much other nations players who doing kamikaze bomb run at GRB on F8F
It always irritated me. I died many times in a Japanese M16 by ramming a dead enemy fighter, and when I played Japanese fighters, it never happened to me