I think I actually corrected that for you my guy but okay🙂
Do you play top tier merks? No.
I’m sorry but again. Play with them yourself in the top tier environment. You can’t go off a stat sheet to understand how bad or good something is bro. It all speaks for itself. Play with top tier merks then you can reserve a right for how they are. You don’t see People complaining on the forums on how op they are.
Actually answer this (and I know the answer) have you actually played top tier merks?
Holy cope!
And holy hell. You are hopeless. Good luck bro
Only response you can give. THE STATS or THE COPE
I will refer you to read and comprehend from previous chats in the forum, I’m heading off the copes too strong.
You got some like selective reading disorder or something bro? I mean jeez bro
Before you say anything to me i hav read all this chat before, and i dont think that u can understand that this isnt just a stats thing, Aps, yes, lws, okay, looks like u havent played it because in the real gameplay the lws doesnt warn you with some missiles like the LMUR for example, the trophy doesnt have the enough vertical protection to intercept LMURs like the arena-M, iron fist, GL6 can do.
Overall its a nice tank but it isnt realist, the thing here is that u said that “if u relly on armor its a skill issue” its not that way, because even tho that in top tier the armor are less reliable that in low tier because of APFSDS it doesnt mean that having armor or not having its irrelevant and i can tell uou by my experience using the leo2a7 and merkava that in some hull down positions where the merkavas turret gets easily penned by lower BR APFSDS the leo can withstand easily and save you against a lot of shots
The armor its one of the most important things in a tank when comparing with others (for not saying the n°1) The t-90 excels in armor but has shitty reverse, the leos are an all in one because they are perfect in every aspect, the challys have good armor and the iron fist but the speed of a granny on a wheelchair, everyone has it pros and cons but when we are talking about the merkava, the only mbt in the world that has the engine in front just for its main idea of crew protection its stupid to say that it doesnt need an armor buff
And lets not talk about the namer cuz…
The thing here is that u see the stats and u say “Hey it has some good things and it needs a nerf” buy when you play it its other thing…, @Got_a_choppa obviously the other problem is that ofc its Israel and we have a lot of politically-radicalliced people that has to talk and hate about everything even in videogames.
I do not support israel, i do not support palestine (The two sides made much things bad), i dont care about politics but some players just bring them to this games cuz they have no common sense, i just play ghe merkava cuz i love its design and history
Merkava also has cardboard upper place and beautiful 30mm firewall between engine and crew compartment, producing all the spall you ever need to wipe crew in the turret with center of mass shot.
Then “sit lower” - surprising amount of turret roof is just cardboard armor, crew relative to the cannon is about the same as with other tanks. Antenna council doesn’t help trying to play turret down either.
Times when anyone used laser guided ordnance on CAS at top tier are long gone, maybe poor sods in Eurofrauds use Brimstones and only after expending payload of SPICEs. TV/IR guidance methods are passive, with no laser to spike LWR, Merk4 APS has the lowest elevation range for engagement, which means it notoriously fail to intercept usual suspects like LMUR or JAGM-ER with their actual lofting trajectory. Same with SPICEs or similar glide bombs dropping directly from above.
“optical detection along proxy rounds” - IRST became standard equipment for most, if not all top tier tanks. Merks do have HE-TF which is not that unique either - Leopards PSO and 2A7(HU), T-90M, Challenged 3 TD. Chinese has access to actual proximity HE, honorable mention of 120mm Abrams with proximity HEAT. Closest to a Merkava merit here are Merks 3 having IRST and HE-TF at 11.3, but then China has IRST and proxy HE at 11.7. Proximity HE and usual laser rangefinder at 11.0
Bonus points: who would win, pinnacle of shalom tonk development or some 40 year old mango hitting second most armored part of the tank
glorious success
Plenty of tanks without armor bud, this whole forum is a cope thread for poor skill and armor buffs. You can’t be presented with data and proof just whining good luck to you all ✌🏾
i guess bro
Yeah you are right, Rafael doesnt let anything public about especific KE protection of the merkavas armor, you can say that we have a skill issue or anything u want, honestly idc,
Yea, theres tanks without armor for example, the type 90 a tank designed for speed, mobility and literally going up mountains, the ariete that even the italian army said that its bad, meanwhile the merkava a tank thats been known for its heavy weight, for its design mainly made for crew survivability, does any MBT has its engine in the front ?? Just the merkava, like a lot of IFVS, just more armor at the front.
Its so stupid to say that other tanks also doesnt have good armor when these are designed for other purposes meanwhile the merkava its mainly made for this
I think there is a fine line between community wanting more accurate modeling of mbt’s and having skill issue. Again bro play the merks for yourself then you can say whatever. If anyone is on some cope charade it would be you right now With the fact that your tying to make arguments as to how merks are good or somehow need nerfs. And you have never even played it
Anyway here is the report for the armor being wrong. Community Bug Reporting System
Cope with that however you’d like. Point stands it’s wrong. And again if you haven’t played it. Stop speaking for it. You have no idea what your talking about
Even if I made the final push to BR 12.7 and showed you how to play the Merkava you would still complain about something else. Merkava stats are fine and so is its K/D. After far as realism, game is about balance if things were realistic Abrams and Leos would be too strong for the game. Like I said learn to play the good support role Merkavas are meant for. Abrams, Leos, and T series can be penetrated by a 9.7 or 10 BR Merkava. You can cope and spin things as hard as you want at the end of the day it’s going to stay the same since it’s performing so well.
My problem is that it’s a heavy ass tank but has the protection of a light tank.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VCjv7CNsRySp
This is actually a very good bug report, unfortunately gaijin thinks its not a bug.
Anyway, this proves Israel have SLERA and tested data public where it works effectively against long rod KE penetrators.
The only reason I see gaijn rejected the report is Rafael did not explicitly mention Merkava Mk4 uses this type of armour. (Tho I think they did mentioned this product was developed from what IDF was using and specifically used for export. I think its fair to say merkava or other Israeli vehicles uses this type of armour.)
So a few things this report have proven:
Gaijin did accept another bug report on Merkava uses SLERA.
its not about buffing or nerfing the tank. Its just wrong.
So… tank that has armor, firepower and mobility (Leopards 2) is underperforming, but tank that has worse mobility and no effective armor is overperforming. Gotcha. Meanwhile M1A2T is the best performing tank period on statshark, when we will see it nerfed despite being copypaste of american ones scraping bottom of the barrel?
“Abrams, Leos and T series can be penetrated by 9.7 or 10.0 Merkava” when aiming for weakspots. Difference is, those tanks are armored enough to resist contemporary ammunition when hit in areas that aren’t weakspots. Merkavas don’t have weakspots, they ARE a weakspot with occasional and random hard spots that may or may not withstand something.
Obviously SKILL
