Why is the Swift F.1 so bad anymore?

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Like WTF.

Why is the plane that was one of the fastest and most agile of its era, getting out turned and out sped by EVERYTHING at its BR?

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I mean it doesn’t help when you have a 1948 Design fighting F-104s and shit, but STILL.

The Swift was quite the competent fighter, it could even keep up with late Meteor’s in Mock turn fights, So why OH WHY is it just a fat bus that can’t out turn a MIG-15 or F-86? I expect that kind of performance out of the A-4 or something, a fat ground attacker, NOT what was one of the lightest and fastest Jet Fighters of its Era.

What ever happened to the F.1s sub 20 second turn time? Or its MASSIVE amounts of Acceleration that would allow it to get off the ground way faster than most other planes?

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I remember it being pretty decent. But it has been a good while since i last flew it. I will have to take it out again and see.

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I know it used to be REALLY good, But it just keeps receiving these micro nerfs that no one mentions, its turn time Spaded used be like 17-18 seconds, WAY better than the 25 it is now.

it also had its engine power cut by a third, and it was made heavier, So its now WAY slower to accelerate

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Stat card turn time means effectively nothing

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I’ve noticed that pretty much all early-mid British jets are bad and overtiered.

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I’ve been saying this for a while.

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Harrier GR.3 9.7
Ayit 9.3 with 2 more missiles, granted they are 9D and Shafrir 2, but in practice I don’t think many kills I’ve made with 9Gs I couldn’t have with 9Ds. plus Mavericks, and MUCH better energy retention. As bad as Skyhawks are in this regard, worse than any F-86 or Mig-17, the Harriers are absolutely abysmal.
Sea Meteor: roll rate is absolutely atrocious, slower than Mig-9L or Su-9 or Su-11 plus Hispano IIs aren’t great because they lack rate of fire.
Vampire and Venom/Sea Venom: lol
Attacker: feels like it accelerates very poorly, at least you get Hispano Mk Vs I guess. mid.
Scimitar: terrible rudder, flails around uncontrollably past 400 kts.

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To be fair the Ayit should be 9.7, but yeah the harriers energy retention is truly awful.

People just need to learn to not turnfight them, lmao. It was bad enough before the Sabres/Mig-15s/17s went down, but now it’s just very depressing.

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I don’t think this one is really overtiered

this one is undertiered

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Gaijin PLEASE give us a non terrible looking Swift that has actually competitive speed

I mean the Swift F.1 has 300 kgf more thrust why is so much slower than the F-86 F-25. I tested it, statcard for the Swift lies, but the Sabre’s is right. It’s still 19 kts slower.

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Needs a few buffs, especially given it has 60 CMs with the AV-8A and AV-8S at the same BR with 240.

  • Remove smokey exhaust (affects all harriers) will help a lot in gamemodes without markers
  • Overhaul IR sigs (again, affects all harriers). Given the lower performance of missiles at this BR, its not quite as critical, but would still help
  • Add Phimat pod (216 large chaff) which will be helpful for giving it a buff in GRB
  • Could possibly do with a 9.3 GRB BR, as we dont really have anything at 9.7

But overall, yeah its fine. its the GR1 that is in a rather sorry state at 9.7