Ah yes I’m sure you did:
Where do you want to move the goalpost to next?
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When did I “move the goalposts”? He stated recent top-tier vehicles and their implementations, I added the recent top-tier american tank and its upgrades.
You asked me to compare “‘applicable upgrades’ of a new flagship vehicle to the previous flagship vehicle of said nation”
Hence my response;
You stated that the SEPv2 has the same thermals as the SEPv1. This is not disputed, this has no contention on its basis, and it is the exact same for many other nations top-tier vehicles. Hell, the T-90M has the same thermals as the T-90A and there’s a large BR difference there.
So please, describe in detail how I’m moving goalposts.
I don’t see the normal M1A2 as the flagship US MBT anymore. It was added in 2019 and the SEPv1 took over and became the US flagship MBT in october 2022, which is why the SEPv2 should be conpared to the SEPv1 imo, because it was the new best MBT in the US tree.
I might have been a bit aggresive, because people consider different vehicles as flagship MBTs for different nation. Imo the SEPv1 is still the flagship MBT of the US tree, because it’s simply better than the SEPv2.
Then are we doing a comparison of the SEPv1 to the SEPv2?
Well… You’ll be wholly disappointed, and might want a word with GDLS if you feel that the purely technological upgrades aren’t enough.
What do you want, an internal view with the new crystal displays? Do you want full fan-support so you can feel the beautiful air conditioning on your face whenever you play the SEPv2?
It has nothing to do with being the “new” MBT, it’s an equal to the SEPv1 in pretty much every way.
Both the SEPv1 and SEPv2 are functionally identical apart from the CROWS and the ability to remove the TUSK-II kit, which is something that would be nice.
Also, major L moment
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It might be, and I’ve been cautioning people on their false expectations over on Reddit as well.
But I do believe the extended turret cheeks at least present a good case for improved turret protection.
Of course, that doesn’t matter much because head-on the cheeks are already immune to practically everything, but it might be helpful against shots coming from a 45°+ angle.
Cool, I’m not arguing that it uses NGAP.
You have to prove to gaijin that NGAP is somehow an improvement over HAP/HC, which, currently, thats not possible.
And?
Mind telling me what the stock armor array was on the M1A2 which was first produced in 1986?
And per chance, tell me if there is any difference between that stock armor array which is modeled in game on our 1986 vintage M1A2 when compared to the SEP V1 and SEP V2 that we have in game?
IRL, beyond musings about the possibility, there has been no actual proof it is any more of a shot trap than the turret rings of say the Merkava or Leopard 2A5+.
The issue with WT is that sabots can bounce and retain their structural integrity which does not occur IRL, which makes the innermost UFP of the M1 expand where such a penetration can occur, which it should not.
Then keep asking…? Much like that of the Leclerc, it’s guesstimation.
And…
Seeing as I doubt you even know which pattern of HAP the M1A1HC uses, nor its differences…
HAP-2?
Do you mind telling me what “Heavy Common” refers to? I know for a fact it isn’t the M1A2.
There isn’t one? The only difference between the M1A2 and the SEP series is the change from HAP-2 to HAP-3, which did nothing but replace oblique plating in the composite to meshes to increase durability.
Ok cool, so you admit you cant prove that the NGAP is better than the stock 1986 M1A2 array, case closed.
Per your statement, the M1A2 SEP V3 shall have the same armor capabilities as the 1986 vintage M1A2 and M1A1HC that we have in game.
Thank you for wasting my time.
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I was never trying to?
Please quote which statement says that, and exactly how it implies this conclusion.
Thank yourself for making this needlessly complicated and spewing uneducated information.
I dont know if you are just willingly dumb or just spend your time trolling on the fourms.
You cannot prove that the NGAP is different in protection to HAP/HC.
Every single M1 since the M1A2 in game retains the protection of the original HAP/HC package.
Due to the fact that you are unable to prove that NGAP has superior protection, gaijin shall keep it as HAP/HC.
That is some amazing hypocrisy here.
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All of the above!
The same as you can’t prove D tech is better than C?
Not a single vehicle in-game uses HAP-1.
Or, hear me out here…
They’ll keep it in the suggestions box, as they have for the last 4 years.
Thanks!
Export armor from swedish trials
Yep, for everything sadly.
Its truly a marvel that the US has not created any better armor since 1986 even to this day.
The VT4 meanwhile, if merkava was bad, this is worse. The entire hull could be penetrated by DM53s, and apart from the tiny composite material coverage, the turret could also be penetrated by DM53s, so literally another ariete with APS. I don’t even want to use it, the 7.1 second reload, lower reverse speed and low penetration rounds ruin this vehicle. I would consider merkava vt4 and ariete the worst 11.7 mbts.
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The HA featured the hull depleted uranium armour, I am wondering whether the HAP also have the same loadout after the problem of front suspension reliability displayed in the M1A1 HA tests.
no, there is no evidence, but what even funnier is how they still won’t add the armor to the turret ring.
yeah and that was from 1998 and thats when the Hull armor was rated at 600mm+ of kinetic protection.
I believe there is a picture featuring a depleted uranium ceramic layer, quite thin but it provides an estimated 70mm more of kinetic protection, this is just a trial, which I think have only 2 or 3 vehicles are produced.
What picture?
I’m asking for a source because I remain extremely skeptical about the countless claims of M1’s having this and that, all while people cannot back up those claims with evidence.
There’s concrete sources which point to there not being DU hull armour upgrades, if you claim this is false and DU was in fact used, I’d need to see some solid evidence.
Before that happens, I’ll say it’s just not true.
You realized those people HAVE provided sources for the Abrams have DU hull armor, hell, even Gaijin posted sources about the SEPv2 with prototype DU hull armor. Yet, you see Russia having a tech demonstrator as a premium and T-80s having prototype thermal upgrades ingame.
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