Why is the AMX-30 S DCA 8.7?

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A quick explanation might be gaijin’s method of dealing with OP SPAA - moving them up in BR. We’re seeing this live with the Coelian, which got its absurd APHE buff and was “fixed” by moving it up to a higher BR (which is actually more of a buff as 7.0 starts seeing lighter pre-MBT vehicles). Add this onto the “French tax”, which is a popular coping mechanism involving France players apparently being so good all their vehicles are at least 1 BR step higher than they should usually be, and you have your answer.

Realistically? I think gaijin saw a full belt of APDS and decided to move it up, as they do like to focus on a particular aspect of a vehicle as justification rather than considering its all-around capabilities. The stabiliser doesn’t matter all too much given that with how slow you are sometimes, the traverse essentially serves that purpose.

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Where are the 100mm penetration shells? They’ve removed them ???

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With the recent update yes, apds was removed both for amx-30 dca and falcon.

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but not for the gepard, in 8.3 when the amx is in 8.7… lol !

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Yeah no br change for some reason, falcon at least is gonna get a radar (even if it’s late) but amx 30 will still be overtierred.

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The AMX has always been pretty overtiered, especially considering how bad the radar is. The itPSV, Gepard, XM246, etc are all leagues better at lower or equal BRs, being stabilised 35mm death machines that can fire the “funny” APHE rounds to one tap even heavy tanks, which gaijin decided to fix this update by removing 30mm APDS.

Essentially, gaijin decided 30mm APDS was the problem and not the unrealistic/unexplainable amount of both penetration and explosive filler 35mm (and 30mm) SPAA all get, which is why they’re so good at TD work.

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VEAK 40 exists at 7.7. I think both Falcon and DCA will be heading down in BR. You have ZA-35 at 8.7 without APDS, but that has mobility that the DCA could only dream of.

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The biggest BR drop I could think of gaijin allowing the DCA is to 8.3, where it’ll still be outperformed by anything with a working radar.
Honestly, this “fix” changes nothing, as it only affects the vast minority of SPAA, and not even the root cause, leaving the overperforming APHE like it’s fine

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soooooooooooooo

where’s the BR drop? they even removing its apds

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They really forgot about it huh
Kinda funny how the gepard is still 8.3 fully stabilized and bullying tanks yet this unstabilized thing is at 8.7 with its only advantage having been removed. bruh

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again, the unstabilized is doing far more lifting than it should be.

yes the dca is unstabilized but at the same time it is. its gun traverse speeds are so high theyre acting like bad stabilizers so effectively the DCA is stabilized. as such it was a slightly worse gepard with better gun placement, with 4 times the apds, as for its br placement, gaijin rarely if ever alter a vehicles br after a nerf/buff, they wait to see if the change even did anything in the first place, which with the apti fragmentation buff these guns received, is unlikely to have changed anything with the DCA’s performance.

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DCA was not included in the list for this BR revision either. I can say this with certainty:
“The Gaijin balancing team doesn’t play the game, and they’ve even forgotten that they removed APDS from the belt last time.”

Without making any adjustments through BR, they removed historically existing APDS—clearly because a “red tank” got destroyed. They must have been pretty frustrated about it.

I did suggest adding it in the BR revision, but I expect it will probably be ignored.

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But they removed its APDS? Now it is just a worse gepard lol

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This

Bet the 2S6 will be the last DCA to be nerfed if they someday decide to nerf them all. Maybe it won’t get nerfed at all.

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its on par with the gepard, seeing the apds doesnt help that much when its only 40 rounds, which is why i support the DCA to be moved back down to 8.3, wont help much seeing france 8.3 is non existant with just the mars and amx 10rc being your only tanks. which is why i also support the amx 30b2 (not the brenus) to be moved down to 8.3

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Ah, just as expected, the BR adjustment for this vehicle has been postponed.
It seems that Gaijin has completely forgotten the changes they themselves made to this vehicle last time :(
They probably wouldn’t be able to explain what advantages the AMX-30 DCA has over 8.3 SPAA. Cheers!

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tbh it can even be lowered at 8.0, because without that old belt, even going on the side of tanks, you might be able to pen, but you dont even do that much dmg,

contrary to gepard, it can overpreassure from the front with its HE any tank in the game…

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One, you very much can delete things from the side, I’ve been running my DCA as my ifv for my 8.7 lineup and it does just well at murdering everything it runs into.

And two, the HE can’t overpressure anything, it doesn’t have enough explosive mass. You’re thinking of the apti which also doesn’t overpressure anything, the problem with that round is that gaijin accidently turned off HE, and as a stop gap massively increased the number of fragments apti made, and that’s what started the 30’s and 35’s deleting everything from the front.

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How is it on par?

The Gepard has:

  • APDS
  • stabilizer
  • higher ROF (over double)
  • higher pen in its HEI/APIT belts

while being at 8.3 instead of 8.7. Make it make sense.

edit: Gepard even gets more smoke grenades on top of it all.

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One, APDS isnt that massive of an advantage, when you only can carry 40 rounds in total.

Two, the DCA’s gun traverse speeds are high enough theyre on par with stabs, theyre not AS STABLE, but theyre stable enough where you can get your guns on target and kill someone, will you have a perfectly stable gun? no, but these are twin 30mm auto cannons, so its not really needed.

Three, where are you getting this higher rof? because the DCA’s is higher, because the DCA has a rof of 650, vs the gepards 550.

Four, yes it has higher pen, problem is that the gepard uses API-T, while the DCA gets saphe. so once the fragmentation issue of API-T gets fixed, the DCA will have the firepower advantage, because the pen difference isnt that useful.

also thats another thing, an extra 15mm of pen isnt that useful, the tanks the DCA cant pen but the gepard can, are in the single digits, whats more important actually is the angled pen, and thats where things fall apart for you, because at 500ms the gepard has 44mm and 22mm of pen, while the DCA has 34 and 17… and these are auto cannons so something is gonna find a flat pen and pen on paper thing vehicles so it doesnt matter.

and finally, i have repeatedly stated that with the removal of the APDS from the DCA, it can go down to 8.3, however this wont change anything because France doesnt have a 8.3 lineup so all this would do is slightly decrease RP cost, for the cheapest to spawn vehicle… ya kinda pointless. now if it were to be moved to 8.0 (never gonna happen) then it would be an actual important change.