Really what I am referring to the damage of the other bullets is the fact that on many occasions when the bullets penetrate they do not make fragments, or in any case minimal fragments, it is as if there were an RNG in the fragmentation of all the non-APHE bullets ,and it usually fails a lot, causing the damage to disappear, or things happening like when shooting where a tank has the tie-breaker, you kill the commander and the shooter only has minor injuries.
Sid shot requires space to produce a Spall cone. Don’t shoot directly into crew or modules, they absorb the fragments too early. I usually shoot. Entire mass in most situations this allows cone to form and kill the turret crew for a one shot. S bit to the right if I want to kill driver too
It is a bug, or that there is an RNG for spalling in non-APHE bullets, because you fire a shot at that point and do no damage, then you shoot again and kill almost the entire crew, then the next three shots do not cause damage, all shooting at the same point.
Never seen this, spalling is always predictable in the same places
It cannot be, using almost all types of bullets it is very common that when penetrating they do no damage or that they do minimal damage, causing the damage to stop at a single crew member, or for the bullet to pass through the entire tank without harming anyone and only breaking the engine, and it has even happened to me that the bullet passed through the shooter without doing anything to him and only killing the commander.
In fact, it is common for you to need more than three shots to kill someone with HEAT or APCR-APDS.
Apcr creates almost no spalling, this is known and isn’t inaccurate, it’s a very small projectile.
Other solid shot is predictable and why I said a million times now on YouTube and on the old forums and this as well as all the people I’ve played with and helped. Solid shot needs space to form a cone, don’t shoot at crew or modules, shoot at space in front of the most amount of crew so it has time to form a large cone
No. This is something that has to be ingame for quite obvious balance reasons- noone wants their engine to be shoy and be completely unable to move for the rest of the game.
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Which use to happen when tanks came out and for years after if you didn’t have parts and only light tanks could repair you too. Was a horrible time.
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Yep.
Tbh idgaf what side of the APHE argument people are on, this is definitely not the solution lol
Actually incorrect, FV4005 was dropped because the UK MoD smoked something* and decided HESH ATGMs where the way forward and we got the Malkava ATGM instead
*Presumably they where smoking whatever was leftover when they wrote the 1957 defence paper that said “fuck it, we don’t need fighters, nuclear tipped SAMs is where it’s at”
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What people aren’t mentioning is that HESH was supposed to create fragmentation inside the tank, not necessarily penetrate through the armor. What would help make HESH better is if fragments BOUNCED around in the tank
If you cant admit something bad is bad idk the challenger is an objectively bad tank there’s no question about it, reminds me i should make a bug report about the chally 2, 2F, TES and OES since the TOGS sight should be Gen 1 not Gen 2
The 20pdr wasnt adequate though its one of the reasons why L7 was developed
Again I only have problems with Hesh below 105
Later on of course, when it was developed however it was very good.
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It never was good enough it didnt even have the capability of Penning a T-54 outside of literal point blank range with the APDS
T54 went into service in 48 and fv4005 and Conway was designed to counter the is3.
The 20pdr was capable of dealing with is3 and cancelled the programs.
The t54 came into service in 48 as the 20pdr was also entering service. This lead to the 105 which was a further developement of the 20pdr to deal with that new t54 which had been overestimated very similarly to the is3 in 45. Which proved later was actually capable of killing a t54 when they finally got to test it.
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The 20pdr most definitely wasnt capable of dealing with the IS-3M the IS-3 maybe because of the poor steel but nobody knew that at the time
OK mate whatever your reckon, the point was the HESH round on the 4005 wasn’t abandoned because of the 105. It proved in testing it was very capable as was the L9 but was dropped because 20pdr and 129mm guns were coming Into service, all before the 105 was a thing.
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Its an objective truth lol