it is a better round since it has significantly better angled pen and has comparable damage
dont have the datamine values but it certainly feels this way to me
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That dart isn’t better than APDS fired from L7 guns.
Source ?
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Whay source?
Its basic game knowledge
Like the fact apcr has the worst spall
What are u expecting from me to pull up gaijin codes?
No it’s not.
L7 APDS spalls very well and pens more than the dart from T-55A.
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Sure
Even if u right this dart is still great and its on a great platform
Give me APDS over HEAT-FS every day. I don’t even bring HEAT-FS if I have APDS.
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Its not apds or heat
Its apds or apfsds
Of course, since HEAT bullets are among the bullets that cause the least damage, and they also suffer excessively from random damage, making them often do extremely little damage, or even no damage at all. That’s why it’s logical to avoid that type of ammunition if possible, and if your vehicle only carries that model of ammunition (AMX-30), you can only pray and ask Saint Gaijin to let you have a good game (it doesn’t usually work).
Let’s be realistic: this game needs a major overhaul of the damage model so that all bullets, within their realistic damage range, do stable and consistent damage.
Returning to the T-62 topic, with the ammunition it carries it could be in Br8.3. I don’t see the T-62 as equivalent to the Shot Kal Gimel, for example.In any case, there are a lot of tanks that should carry the ammunition they originally carried, and be changed from Br.
Even then, depends on vehicle. Give me Vickers Mk.3 with APDS and good mobility over Olifant Mk.1 at same BR with APFSDS. Some of those early APFSDS are pretty rough.
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Maybe worse in oen but the spall is worth it
Center mass apfsds have high chance to 1 shot
Apds is like 50/50
It’s a very generous shot on the turret. It is not hard to pull off.
Not how that works. Stabilizer never guarantees first shot. Not all engagements are two people sitting on a corner waiting for one to push.
M60 AOS UFP is stronger than T-54/T-55 UFP buddy? You should do more research before commenting.
The T-55 UFP is 100mm at 59 degrees, the M60 AOS UFP is 108mm at 66 degrees…
Literally almost all of these tanks can penetrate the turret cheeks.
(Not even using the APHEDS shell the Maus gets, just the Jagdtiger shell:)
This is one of the weakest shells presented and yet it can still one tap the t-55 frontally if you just know where to aim
Do I even bother? These can shoot you damn near anywhere but the hull and you’ll one shot.
None of these struggle even a little teensy bit. They all railgun the T-55. As they were expected to IRL I might add.
The turret face is weaker than the UFP so no logic found here.
I’m sure most people are pushing with SPGs for this to matter.
The french ones can railgun straight through your UFP at some ranges… as I already said.
This isn’t some gotcha. You’re saying they will be penetrated easily and die. The T-55 is not hard to knockout through its turret face.
You have already been hardcore disproven that the APFSDS is anything special. You discredit yourself further and further everytime you bring it up acting like its better than M728 or any other round at this BR.
T-55 is not fast. It in fact has big issues with reverse, traverse, turret traverse, gun laying, reload rate, etc. It’s slow in every metric besides holding W and even there it is mid as hell.
thats what it is, its just decent/good for the BR, it’s not overpowered.
This does not matter. There are literal long darts at 8.7.
M60 objectively has superior armor to the T55 in the hull, and turret wise they are similar with the AOS being able to utilize its turret armor to a far greater degree due to its gun depression. Both have weakspots on the turret that are not that difficult to hit.
Then why do all of us experienced players disagree with you that the short rod on the T55 is superior to M728?
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Its much easier to stabilized t55 that can pretty much lol pen center mass other tanks
In a face to face engegment ofc
Mainly in brawling
U right i thought t55 had 120 mm like t54
But the m60 doesnt have the apfsds and mobility og the t55
Proved my point
Only close to the breach
Yea gl with the unstable 90mm and volumeteic
I allready said that
They still need to aim with unstanle gun against a good platform with apfsds
Its ending here
No they arent
Only if they are close they have like 50/50 to pen the ufp and again “unstabled”
Only close to the breach
Congrats it proves nothing
Its not if u have the time to aim and even then ita a volumetric hell
But guess what
It can just lol pen u without even stoping
Apfsds has better spall then apds and its well known
U proved nothing here
More pen doesnt mean its better
Its more then decent
16.1 hpt
And -7 reverse is very usable
Also u have very good turning like all t series and turret traverse is a bit lacking but u far from making this vehicle bad
Also it has nutral steering or how it called that makes things alot easier
So?
U can pen them with no issue and the gap is much smallwr then u getting downtierd
Who?
The 3 russian mains that wants russia to dominate?
Huh
This is fine, it doesn’t mean the T-55 should be a BR other than 8.3
So a very specific scenario.
already stated the apfsds isnt exceptional or a big advantage on the T-55. The M728 APDS on the M60 is equivalent.
No, your point quite clearly is to say these tanks can’t penetrate it AT ALL.
You are attempting to change your original point.
Volumetric is not detrimental here, 90mm is not a large shell that can get caught on things easily. If i’m not trying to shoot you on the move the lack of a stabilizer doesnt factor
VIDAR/Pzh2000 are anything but “unstable” despite lacking a stabilizer. They can pull off very quick snapshots.
Yes, they do. I have spaded every tank mentioned. They all railgun the T-55.
??? Yes AND? We are saying turret FACE, the only part that is the FACE is the pennable areas. The CHEEKS are CHEEKS. Further, this is not a hard shot to make.
On the contrary, it proves you wrong. You said otherwise.
like any other 8.3 mbt, yep.
M728 has better chances of penetrating any target you shoot it at than the short rod on the T-55. The M728 is an exceptional APDS round and the short rod on the T-55 is an exceptionally bad dart. They overlap on the venn diagram of apds vs apfsds.
No, it’s just short of being downright god awful. The -4kph on later soviet MBTs is god awful. This is 3kph faster than that. It’s considered to be bad reverse speed for an MBT at this BR.
As I said already, I won’t repeat:
Russian MBTs don’t even neutral steer. They have bad traverse speeds on top of that, and their turrets move like glaciers.
No… it doesn’t. Not a single russian MBT does to my knowledge. Including the 2020+ variants.
Yeah, because I’m a russian main, get real.
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because this guy thinks that every apfsds round is a straight upgrade over apds
yknow statements like this one really convince me that the only bias that exists is within players’ heads
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That just players who understand every vehicle strength and weaknesses, I don’t see anybody having problem with Sabra and fv4030 having 4-5 KD
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Nah i aint answering all of thatbim not that bored
Also we cant agree on key points like fire power and mobility so we are just goinf in circels
Sabra has 1.5 kd and 1.3 per spawn
Not every apds but the t55 apds
Apfsds has better spall and in general much more reliable
Apds shutter and non pen on every small bump
yes and its not the case for the type of apds used at ~8.3 (like m728)
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It is
Maybeess shuterring but still less damage
With apfsds its alnost all the time 1 shot kill to center mass
It’s why these topics don’t go anywhere. I just put a couple comments in here last night while I was doing naval event. Just people yapping about nothing.
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