Reminds me of the r3r vs aim7e days.
Before my time unfortunately, would’ve been nice to see the Phantom meta days
The F-15E is the last plane to need a new bvr missile.
The F-18C (Finland) could probably use one with it’s other disadvantages (no hmd) and the F/A-18C late is meh, but the F-15E is already good enough at bvr.
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i would argue during that time, while ER and 7M have a giant gap in performance, it mattered very little. with multipath at 100m it was extremely easy to just ignore both Sparrow and ER and play the game. Radar missiles weren’t META at that time, IRCCM Fox-2s were hard meta on a nimble platform like Gripen or F-16C. BVR gameplay at that time was more or less dead not because of missile stats but because you will get sent to the hangar from 7M or 27ER launched from the deck that you can’t do anything against because of multipathing.
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That’s fair enough, I just think it’s more offset by the gap in performance is far less than that to where the lessened effectiveness of multipath is not as much of a deal in terms of balance. It makes the need to learn how to notch and low level flying important but that’s on the player more than the jet (although larger less maneuverable jets do worse).
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i was just replying to the ER and 7M situation that you mentioned. In general i agree that current balance is pretty fair. I would love to have 77-1 on a platform with better performance tho.
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Yeah I agree with your assessment on it, and I agree I’d like to see a platform that’s more suited to BVR than the SM. I haven’t played USSR high tier, save the 33, but I’d like to look more into the options for that. Perhaps the Mig-31
Holly shit this is deadly concentration of pure copium XD
The SPAMRAAM was and still is dominating ARB since the moment it was introduced to the game. And the R77 was dogshit compared to it. (alongside with all the other ARH missiles) The only difference is now that the Russian planes also have a viable missile, but it’s still inferior.
The AIM-120 is objectively the best and most versatile missile in the game to this day. The only missile that can outperform it is the French MICA-EM and only in very specific CQC scenarios because of the thrust-vectoring otherwise the AIM-120 beats everything.
So yeah, literally nothing has changed, and the AIM-120 is still the best FOX-3 missile in the game. But now you don’t get to seal club everybody uncontested.
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What a joke of a thread…USA mains going on to prove they are terrible at the game.
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6+ years
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where were you when this happened to everyone who wasn’t flying the F-15c/e? EVERYONE (including su27sm) was forced to defend themselves first because they were always at a disadvantage against f15s flying at mach jesus shooting aim120s.
you are just a hypocrite and you are not really asking for balance.
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I love how americans like to say russia ruled the “R27ER” era when multipathing was at 100m and the MiG-29 was receiving FM nerfs after FM nerf while the F-16 was better buffed after buffed after buffed… here we are today where its obvious the F-16 is superior lmao
USA has dominated this game IN GENERAL in the air since like 2019 at minimum. The fact other nations participate in the leapfrogging at top tier does not matter in the slightest.
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oh my god stop pretending your jet is so bad it needs a 9X dear lord, you usa mains are AWFUL at the game and it shows everytime your fingers touch the keyboard on this website
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It was USA players consistently getting better jets and experiences while whining about what USSR had, oh like, today actually!
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There was even a recent one of US dominance too when (then) undertiered Iranian F-14s forced everyone on the defensive, only if you had the appropriate RWR to actually defend against it lol
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The meta during that time was multipathing everything. Fox 1s were situational at best. During fox 2 meta us had an edge because 9ms are a bit better than r73s(i like 73s more tbh)
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This is plain wrong. R27er and aim7m is just as big if not bigger of a difference than aim120 to r77. Hell at least r77s work at close medium ranges. Aim7m is dogshit
Aim120s on the f18 are massively gimped
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Someone who head-ons an a flying brick and probably whines about it detected.
I am deeply sorry you lack the apparent skill to dodge/avoid/notch such an easily defeatable missile. May your capability one day improve to the point that Gaijin no longer has justification to gimp US vehicles or provide handicaps for “skill issue” players like this asinine turret basket decision. Though I imagine I will win the lottery before that day ever comes.
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