Isn’t MiG-21SMT and Su-33 got their emergency mode thrust values?
I’d have to check Su-33 again, and check if its a suggestion or a hard limit.
Mig-21SMT’s is definitely a suggestion, there’s no way to lock that feature off. Whether the over-heat timer is correct or not, dunno. I’d wager it’s supposed to be 2x to unknown above the manual’s training limit for all these aircraft.
In comparison to Tornado where the ECU is programmable and has lock-out functionality, because for some reason the engine manufacturer added that as a feature.
USSR loves “suggestions”. Like with later flogger models that could pull up to 25 degrees of AoA but command literally forbid to pull more than 15 like early models.
Pretty sure this isnt the first time a Russian jet gets emergency thrust in-game (I had no clue the Su-30SM had it). The MiG-21 bis is somewhat famous for having emergency thrust modelled in-game, and when asked why the engine didnt destroy itself in-game like it would irl if emergency thrust was used for longer than allowable, the devs response was something along the lines of “engine damage from overuse of too high an engine setting/overheating is not modelled in-game” (a bold faced lie obviously)
Someone probs still has that response screenshotted somewhere.
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That isn’t how that works and you know it.
There is only one model type of rafale and euro fighter in game, as well as this the F15E im sure out paces the Rafale?
They don’t mean it’s the 3rd nation , don’t be obtuse.
Nah US has to dominate Air forever now
Pretty sure, the MiG-21 bis had its emergency thrust removed in response to a bug report actually.
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Does seem to be illegal that the US isnt THE single best nation. Being just a mere one of THE best seems to be an insult
Thought Id heard otherwise, but if thats the case, ty for the correction.
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They do get rather upset about it to be honest, I mean the eurofighter and rafale are regarded as some of the best generation 4.5s built specifically for A2A combat, when it comes to multirole the F15 EX is better as it can carry substantially better payloads etc.
US mains when their dedicated multirole doesnt exceed in a category it isnt even in
Sure, it could. But when it’s implemented in game its not going to get them is it?
Which aircraft is this referring to? the only real attempt at a multirole would be the F-35. The US has no “Clean-sheet” designs for both the interception(A2A) and interdiction(A2G) target sets.
There are so many configurational issues with US post 1962 jets. I don’t even know where to begin.
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I mean IRL there’s absolutely no corrolation with the F15EX and EF 2000 in game.
You also say that as if the damn typhoon has it’s right loadouts with SAL only brimstones xD
F15EX is a designated multirole same as the E is.
only the original F15s where designed as pure fighters.
yet they’re still some of the best in game
note that he said Dedicated, not Designated.
That’s why Clean-Sheet was specified, since aircraft like the F-16XL, F-15E, F/A-18E, etc. are all based on existing airframes and as such are not actually (fully) optimized for the role.
Sure but that’s hardly fair when practically nothing is unique to them, since there are so many US “client” nations that just happen to be implemented in multiple other Tech Trees. Further there is basically no effort put into modeling unique features( for example the AXX-1 on the F-14B doesn’t work properly, even though independent search for IR sensors (e.g. PIRATE / OLS-xx) are implemented) and properly curating stores, or they just get handed out to their doppelgangers for balancing reasons.
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It is a dedicated multirole platform?
what is the issue here.
the F15EX and E are specifically dedicated to multirole capabilities?
One google tells you that.
They went back to the drawing boards when designing them, Unlike say the 15a which is technically multirole as it can slam GBUs onto it
Doesn’t that make every top tier jet technically a multirole though?
Yes like I said, IRL
though the F15E and EX are specifically designed to be more oriented towards Multirole / ground strike than A2A,
Unlike the typhoon which is a multirole that’s more designed to fall into the air superiority range.
its like the MBT’s in game, they’re all called “mediums”
The F15EX is based off the the F15E “strike eagle” hence the reason it’s touted as a strike variant , while mantaining some semblance of A2A capabilities, the EX actively has more upgraded air to air capabalities but it’s still not going to be better than that of the Rafale or Typhoon in that field.
this is going off topic as well BTW
It’s not a new design, thus not truly optimized since concessions were made for it to be suitable for both roles. Basically if you had the F-22 & F-35, or F-14 & F-18 available for tasking they will straight up do a better job than the comparable flight of F-15Es depending on the era.
Specialist, airframes such as the A-10, AC-130, B-52 or F-111 / F-117 / B-1 / B-2 / S-3 would certainly be preferable depending on the target set if a Strike was necessary.
The Lack of a BRU-55 / -57, STAR rail adapter (TER-9A/A w/ STD-1760 compatibility) counterpart really restricts the larger diameter options due to clearance
If PGMs were what is used to declare a multi-role aircraft, the A-4 must have been quite the “hot-ship” in its day.
Depends on how good you think the AIM-260 / AIM-174B, AIM-9X-4 + Legion IRST & “TALON HATE” pod combo would stack up.
im sorry the F22 was designed for AIr superiority mate, where you pulling it’ll be better for ground strike than an F15E spefically.
Concessions in which areas?
The Addition of two seats, changes to the air frame , where?
Only if they have total air control do they field most of them.
The F15E has always been primiraly used for deep interdiction ground attack, the F-15E was built to self-defend during its missions, so yes it can defend itself if necessary but it’s primary role, and design purpose was to be ground strike.
The B2’s and such are designed for a different type of strike mission though? those are heavy bombers and or stealth craft which have completely different roles from that of which the F15E strike eagle is used for.
I mean, it was technically a multi-role platform that’s not a debatable fact, it could both run ground strike and anti air ordinance.
Specifically was designed for ground strike.
This isn’t even in service yet.
This is a huge ass missile based off of a damn naval missile, the thing boasts extremely long range, that’s about it, the meteor has about 200km range and is far far more advanced and accurate.
ASRAAM out does this as well as far as I am aware.
Leonardo pod and the inbuilt IRST on the EF2000 put’s it ahead of the F15 for that.
The F15EX with the aim260s starts to catch up to the euro canards on air to air capabilities but absolutely rinses them in ground strike capabilties.
Because you know? it’s designed for ground strike and is used as a dedicated strike plane, not as counter air or air superiority.
There isn’t anything wrong with that, as has been proven stuff like the F22 absolutely beats the euro canards in long range capabilities due to not being able to be detected.
Stealth, a broadband LPI radar ^ Datalink, and improved RWR helps maintain Situational Awareness and avoid detection, internal stores means no drag / range penalty, and access to the GBU-53 restores stowed kills in an A2G role. and against bunkers and the like it maintains practical parity against most targets short of things you would send Dedicated Bombers after, with the GBU-28.
So if the situation were to warrant it, in a modern threat environment. I’m sending F-22s, Not F-15’s unless the target needed a GBU-28, then an F-117 would probably do better. (I’d need to check my sources to see if the A2K (BLU-137/B) warhead was produced in numbers since that might even things out with a JDAM kit).
The ones that would actually make it a good CAS (BAI) plane e.g. low speed handling, and access to a large number of “heavy” (3000lb @ nominal G loading) rated ordnance stations.
There is a reason why for example the F-35 lost out to the A-10 for these specific reasons, as naturally conceptual concessions are made at the design level.
Buddy, not even the Russians would be insane enough to send out singular flights on a strike mission. that’s not how these things work. This is practically true of all airforces.
Its’ not the first arrow in the quiver for A2A, the same way the F-22 isn’t for A2G it’s no more or less multi-role.
Up to 80 JDAMs and Link-16 connectivity don’t really care, would it be a waste of money and the airframe, absolutely yes. But the capability remains.
It was a low cost, low risk modification of an existing platform nothing is dedicated about it. Hell you can strap gunpods to it if you want. Doesn’t make it a good idea.
It’s been type classified, had successful test firings, and has had money put aside for it. It won’t be that long before it is fielded.
Range overmatch is the entire point of it, if you have to respect it it’s much more risky to be offensive tactically, which “fixes” the opponent, and reduces their options
It’s technically the best the US has got, since the move to an 8 / 10" airframe was ditched to cut costs. All the -4 does anyway is deal with aging out components that was causing serviceability issues.
Well we haven’t seen much outside knowing that the Legion pod is based on a derivative of the AAS-42’s detector that was originally slated for the Quick-Strike (F-14"E").
How? The Brimstone / SPEAR 3 set up is better than the AGM-187A / GBU-53 combo in most respects.
Exactly, so in what way is it multi-role?
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It is and you are trying to just spark more ragebait.
Going on Statshark. the F-15e has the LOWEST win rate of any aircraft in the 13.0-14.3 range.
You can check here for yourself.
Did I say this? No. I asked why the F-15E has 10% less thrust than other aircraft.
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