As stated in this report, the BMP-1 needs to have its optics replaced before water operations thus it should not be able to swim, however the report was denied
This is no different to the M113 chassis requiring a small splash curtain around the engine (and there are multiple videos of M113s in the water without said splash curtain)
What are these double standards?
That’s because the M113 is not in-game, at least players can’t operate it, M163 VADS is relatively heavier than the base M113 variant which requires more preparation for amphibious operation than BMP-1 like sealing the turret ring, something that BMP-1 doesn’t need and M113 doesn’t have a turret to be sealed. @Jadenbetter-live arguments falls short since all military vehicles need to go under safety check before operations,
BMP-1 isn’t special on that regard, such things like valve intakes, engine parts changing also are done before operations, not in the field. Regarding the turret position, the only moment that it needed to be positioned in the user manual I’ve found since it wasn’t detailed nor explicit said which manual, what pages and so on I couldn’t check myself, is the loading procedure of the cannon, which is required to elevate the gun in +3°:
To load, the autoloader arm hinges upwards, and the grenade is pitched forward over the gunner’s right shoulder and into the breech. To load, the cannon must be elevated by +3 degrees.
Since anything is done before operations, return the M163 VADS amphibious capability but its turret must remain stuck for the whole time during the match if the player wanted to drive through a deep body of water, considering there are no field modifications in the game, yet.
See also:
The arguments used in the video as why the BMP-1 wouldn’t be so effective in water doesn’t correlate in War Thunder: water conditions, soil condition, crew experience, vehicle and parts maintenance and preparation are not in-game, yet if it’s ever considered, maybe never will be.
The YouTube video uses the Handbuch für mot.Schützen II Schützenpanzer. 1. Auflage as primary source, the image above attached are the listed equipments that is needed for the function of the vehicle in amphibious operations, most of which are already inside the vehicle and part of those that the crew can operate without leaving the vehicle.
Going to be honest, i only reported to see the response i’d get
im not looking to remove the BMP bc i assumed even if it would be removed they’d change the rules to allow it
It was also a Dev or Alpha tester that shut down the report if you are interested
It does say it needs to be left at 3° but also later talks about firing the gun so it may just be for the additional sight replacement
You will note in the report that i excluded the safety checks when it came to the overall time and stated how it’d be less time without them and said how long they test for
It used to be able to float in game but now cant, i was also not looking to buff the M163 specifically but instead another vehicle that is extremely similar to the BMPs case, hence the report on the bmp
Its done just before entering the water as its then undone when exiting
Your own image shows some of the required field changes for being amphibious like the rope over the doors and hatches, that blocks the crew and infantry from entering and exiting, its also stated that crew should only leave through the drivers hatch and that all other hatches can only be used in an emergency
However some of the preparations are done by the driver in his seat which are minimal, such as the float screen at the front to block waves
The BMP does not need additional equipment before entering but it does need external changes before entering and after exiting water for safety of the crew and the vehicles own integrity
Like one hatch is stated it needs to be open for swimming which can only be done externally i believe
and the rest is my above comment
Its an arcade game. Stuff like 2S1 (iirc) also can’t swim even though they should be able to.
Yeah it was denied for the above reasons
link to report
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/4aTpuQJsQ4hM
