the 85 also has a really good nuke round. maybe not 215g but 164g is also very deadly.
its all a question of do you want a smaller tank with better reaction time or something larger with better armor with less reaction time for more sp
Overall, the 85mm cannon is not as good as the 88mm connon because it has a high possibility of allowing opponents to survive and retract into cover when attacking the commander’s tower of the Tiger tank H-type and the Panther tank’s turret
And the 88mm cannon obviously doesn’t have to worry about this issue
Moreover, in terms of the cannon mirror, T3485 has a fixed 4x magnification, while the Tiger model has a variable magnification of 1.9-3.5x
In terms of muzzle velocity, the 88mm connon has a higher muzzle velocity than the 85mm connon, which means that the shell falls less during flight, the trajectory is more horizontal, and the penetration depth of the 88mm gun is 20mm higher than that of the 85mm gun
Not to mention the 10 ° downward angle of the Tiger tank, which makes all USSR vehicles envious
Are you using 365A or 365K
I admit that the 85mm gun has some advantages, such as a 2mm higher oblique penetration ability than the 88mm gun, and a good oblique turning ability for the 85mm shell. However, overall, the 85mm gun is not as good as the 88mm gun
Are you using 365A or 365K?
The main ammunition for T3485 is BR365A, because the TNT equivalent of BR365K is only 77g, which is obviously lower than the 164g of BR365
The M61 shot on the M4A3E2 jumbo has only 1/3 of the filler the 365A has, yet I have not had any issue one-shotting tiger H1’s by shooting their cupola, I am unsure why you’ve faced issues doing the same with 365A
Why don’t you say that the loading speed of M4A3e2 is 5s? Even if the loading speed of M4A3e2 (76) is 6s, it is much faster than the 7.4s of T3485 and Tiger tanks
M4A3E2 has a stabilizer that can quickly fire the first shell, while T3485 often needs to wait for the muzzle to slowly stabilize before firing, so it cannot be generalized
But your point was that the T-34-85 can’t kill in one shot when hitting the commander’s cupola, even though the M4A3E2 with a weaker shell can
I think you just lack experience, you should learn more of the game before coming to a conclusion
I said tiger 88mm pzgr is fine, but I didn’t mention m4a3e2 is fine
When I play Tiger tanks, I often use Pzgr to shoot at the commander’s tower of IS2, and often defeat IS2 with just one shot. I am certain of this
T3485 and M4A3e2 fired shells that hit the commander’s tower of the Tiger tank, but in fact, they could not directly defeat the Tiger tank because there were two people sitting in front of vehicle
There is no need to question my gaming experience. I posted the record above, you can check it
Seems you’re just a victim of your own confirmation bias, unfortunately.
I don’t see much else people complaining about the BR changes
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The T-34-85 is both very mobile and has excellent protection for its level of mobility.
Like the M4A3 it’s a great blend of armor, firepower and mobility.
The M18 isn’t all that more mobile and it achieves its mobility by being extremely vulnerable, while having no advantage in firepower.
My argument is about that the T-34-85 being is an excellent tank for 5.7 and that there’s no reason why it shouldn’t struggle against a whole BR higher heavy tank when facing them from the front.
Since that’s what the topic is about.
My original intention was not to ask T3485 to reduce its BR, but to give T3485zis53 the strength it should have, such as setting the turret as variable thickness armor like T3485d5T
As for the question of whether Tiger King H should go to 7.0, I have discussed it under another topic. It has been proven that most people believe that vehicles such as IS2 (1944) and M26 should be 0.3BR lower than Tiger King H
Germany 5.7 has just one Tiger unless you shell out for the kinda expensive premium pack. It’s not worth it to stay at 5.7 when you get another Tiger and 3 (better) Panthers at 6.0.
There’s no excellent protection, the T-34-85 is basically a light tank against anything that has a cannon at the very same BR and even in a downtier, how can you not understand that? It’s literally just a worse M4A3 76 that gets penned by any main cannon at its own BR while being forced to fight at the same level as other tanks. Flanking is the only thing it can do, but if someone ever pre-aims at it, it’s over, it doesn’t have smoke grenades or shells to retreat or get around. Only reason it excels is because of braindead Germany players with zero situational awareness and because its post-pen makes it easily one shot vehicles (if only APHE fix was implemented). It’s a tank that belongs at 5.3 or 5.0 along with the D-5T version atmost. At 5.7, it doesn’t even have an actual downtier BR, it’s forced to face uptiers.
The M18 is all that more mobile, having a miles better acceleration and being able to get to critical points on maps much faster than anyone else can. It can also use its gun depression to overcome the lack of armor. CAS is a bigger problem for it, but it’s something to consider when playing it, not something that causes the vehicle to become worse especially when it has all the tools to avoid CAS.
these are mediums tho, not comparable in role to KTs. I will admit that T-44 being at 6.7 is tad bit too high tho. Havent noticed any difference with Pershing.
Cant speak on IS2, its been ages since i last played it and how it fares in current BR placement.
I feel thats more about the fact that KT, even with incredibly bad turret in my opinion, IS unfair opponent for most 5.3 tanks.
It isnt all rainbow and sunshine with german tanks tho. Kugel and Panther II were moved to 7.0 which left the 6.7 lineups with proper AA (unless you happen to own Coelian, which lot of new players dont) and medium tank.
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One of the most undertiered vehicles, thats why.
These AA vehicles (Ostwind, Ostwind 2, Coelian) aren’t that good vs air. Considering their anemic pen they’re also bad vs. ground. Its difficult to hit a plane with that RoF, except its approaching you. Real autocannons are better: Wirbel, Sdkfz 22, Zerstorer 45, Kugelblitz.