care to prove with me real life source that Relikt can stop DM53 at 10-500 meter?
because last time you spread miss formation you don’t even have an idea how anti-ERA tips on DM53 even work
because you just like “Trust me bro” when it come to source
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Yet you keep claiming how BVM’s turret armor is weak because its based on T80B turret while compeletly ignoring that its covered by RELIKT Era and offers great protection.
Do you want me to go on?
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I never ignored a thing.
I even explicitly stated the coverage of Relikt that T-80B’s turret has: ~50%.
Just as I mentioned that BVM’s hull Relikt is the primary reason for its BR.
Without Relikt, even using K5 only, it’d be 11.3 with 3MB60. Drop that to 3BM46, and it’s an 11.0 tank.
BVM without ERA & 3BM42? Congrats, you have a T-80B again with slightly more hull armor. XD
The one-time protection that Relikt gives that hull is the primary reason it’s 11.7 after all.
And that rather weak turret is probably why T-90M will be 0.3 BRs higher than BVM due to increased protection overall.
Sure buddy you never did.
İts not like you’re not the one who kept claiming BVM’s turret is weak and Russians are not dominating top tier.
You can believe what you want to believe but reality will not change.
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While actuall coverage might not be high, there being notable coverage on a lot of the turret practically removes them as viable spots to aim for.
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Correct, I did not claim that BVM’s turret is objectively weak. I stated that it’s weaker than a handful of other 11.7s which is true.
I also did not claim that players are not dominating, in-fact I stated the opposite: Players seem to be using their skills more effectively against players facing Soviets according to people that lose to Soviets more than they win.
You can believe what you want, but reality won’t change.
@DiamondLag
Just as M1A1 AIM’s turret cheeks aren’t viable options to aim for.
Ah yes the good old skill issue card.
İts amazing to see how you’re claiming that Soviet players are more skilled then other nation’s player while in reality Soviet top tier is the most biased line-up you can find but sure its all about skill differences right?
Honestly at this stage you became entire circus.
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Soviets have less than USA for their top lineup, and Sweden has the best tanks for 11.7.
So how exactly are tanks the reason Soviets are winning when they’re inferior to two other nations?
Ka-52? That requires doing well in their single on-par tank to everyone else, and that’s dealt with using a SPAA or Abrams firing a proximity HEATFS round at it.
Mig-27K? Mk1 eyeballs are hard to use 7km up, not the best CAS, and an F-16 should deal with it shortly.
Reality doesn’t change just cause you call reality a circus.
Soviets does have T80BVM and T72B3 at top tier just like USA does have M1A2 and SEP.
Ka-52 is single handedly best helicopter at top tier due to amazing FCS+Radar+Broken Damage Model and Vikhrs.
Mig27K is still one of the best CAS plane you can find at top tier, this fact is not gonna change wether it has thermals or not.
So yea reality is still stands where i pointed and you’re still entire circus buddy.
There is a reason why almost everyone mocks you and disagrees with you in this forum.
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T-72B3 doesn’t have an American equivalent, only T-80U does with M1A1 HC.
B3 is a bit slower, but I think turret armor & ammo make up for that.
Mig-27K isn’t a top 6 CAS anymore due to proliferation of F-16s and Tornadoes, tho it’s still fine at its limited position.
Helicopter damage models are an issue, helicopters are still the worst spawn for ground, even the Ka-52. A SPAA & helicopter pilot of equal skill, the helicopter dies every time.
So yeah, reality still stands alongside myself & the entire War Thunder community.
You are not everyone. You disagreeing with all the experts in the War Thunder community is not everyone disagreeing with them.
It’s just you.
I bet you claimed Defyn was wrong when he said Mig-29 is balanced having only R-60Ms.
Soviet players are more skilled lol
If that Britain Franch Italy Japan and Israel players must be god already
Skills is really the last requirement to play Soviet heh heh (and it optional too)
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Abrams players were the most skilled in the game for a 1 - 3 month timespan back in 2021 and maybe again in 2022.
Their aggressive tactics won matches. Every single match that experienced the aggressive Abrams’, Abrams won every time.
That could happen again at any time, just requires those skilled players to return to Abrams.
Lmao im only disagreein with you cause you acting like a clown.
İ didnt disagree with any expert in here and you’re not even close to be expert, also wether you accept it or not many people mocking you and disagreein with you cause you’re living in fantasy world.
Now if you done bein a clown go to corner and cry there while claiming Soviets are actually balanced.
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Sure tho the weakpoints for dissabling an Abrams is bigger.
My comment is more about the fact that saying ERA only has 50% coverage is missleading in the fact it implies that 50% of the turret is a viable shot. Meanwhile its like 15-20% of the turret that one can viably aim for.
On abrams its 25% or so with a notable turret ring weakspot under the mantlet. While the turret itself is much much larger.
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Tell that to Razer buddy.
He’s the one who’s claiming that :)
I’m acting in my direct & sincere manner, because I have a headache and revert to my instinctual autistic direct approach when in minor pain.
“Soviets are balanced.” - All experts in War Thunder, reality, etc.
Just cause people perform well doesn’t make the vehicles themselves powerful, and just cause the vehicles themselves are powerful doesn’t make the players good.
Jadgpanzer IV is the most OP tank destroyer in War Thunder, its players… not so much.
@DiamondLag
Half of the ERA you see on BVM from the front is covering air, cause it’s there for side shot protection.
The breech is ~30%+ of what you see from the front.
Then you have the Abrams sized turret ring below the ERA.
İ think i made my intentions clear on my last post but seems like you missed.
İ finished this discussion so you can cry me in river buddy :)
I dont see how one can take that as a viable weakpoint to aim for. Especially considering the gaping clear to aim for hole that is frontally shooting the abrams turret ring beneath the mantlet.
Edit: ive killed Abrams using the bat chat using that strat too many times
Interesting. Tho doesn’t really change what my comment says. Like my comment would apply to the naked non-era carousel tanks at lower BRs aswell.
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To be fair, T-72Bs are cracked on turret protection.
BVM gets all the attention cause people shoot its hull and never its turret then die to it & claim Russian bias, when the real armor’s at 10.0 rolling around unrecognized.
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Real kings is the T-72A and T-72M1 without the extra 20mm frontal arc carousel armor that create spalling.
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