Why can't NATO have a well armored MBT?

You have a few. Congrats.

All article, except one phrase, is written in future tense. And well… It was 26 of February. At that time Russians were near Kiev already.
And anyway, this article was posted after 24 February. And well… I know, that its FOX, but… Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources | Fox News

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It’s not always immediate. Especially after the ATGM rework. Overpressure is real though. You should see what an FPV drone did to the roof of a 2A6.

I’m spoiling my last response to you Count, and then I’m going to stop talking about the conflict because it was never brought up to be a discussion, but rather to juxtapose NATO procurement priorities towards LIC. If you want the last word, I don’t care.

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Some restraint… immediately sending war material as quickly as possible, any way possible. Real restraint would’ve meant staying out entirely, not giving Ukraine the best ISR in the world to conduct it’s defense. The real restraint has been with Putin in not shooting down those RC-whatvers and RQ-4’s.

You can’t grasp promotional funding. You clearly don’t understand the patron for many of these musuems, from whom interviews are regularly obtained comes from them. That the same mega-finance corporations hold controlling shares in both defense and media companies and have a vested interest in advertising their wares (half the purpose of intervening in a conflict NATO won’t help win). Sorry you’re too simple to understand, but that’s okay. Society runs on people less critical, like you.

It’s also because they’ve proven to be more reliable than Western tanks, and certainly IFV’s.

They do.

They’ve all mostly been dead for over a year and a half. They’re conscripting invalids and women now to keep up the reserves. So you’re right about that one.

  1. They have multiple repair depots in both Poland and Slovakia.
  2. The have most of the foreign vehicles, unless of course they’re acting like choosey beggars again (Mirage 2000, Leo1A5). Only thing not guaranteed is having permission from NATO to get embarrassed using them again. Abrams still not being in Ukraine is not a surprise to anyone paying attention.
  3. Be my guest to DM interviews where they say they don’t like them or whatever. The little bit of Ukrainian media I consume has said the opposite.

Nothing to intimidate them with now. Unless of course they actually starting fighting for Ukraine, and put nuclear armed fighter jets in country, out of desperation.

No, it’s Ukraine and to a lesser extent NATO. It was clear from before the conflict that the DPR, LNR, and Crimean democratic referendums were not going to be honored by Ukraine, and intervention was necessary. NATO expansion, which was supposed to end in East Germany, never did. The Obama state department kicked this entire conflict off after taking over from a primed and ready Soros funded NGO campaign from the likes of NED etc. NATO could’ve respected the international norms of not creating alliances with countries who border sensitive areas, like Ukraine, and could’ve honored Russia’s request for neutrality RE: Ukrainian security guarantees. Instead senile Joe laughed in their face.

Syrian rebels were near peer-to-peer of the SAA, that’s explicitly what I said. Read carefully dude.

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I think it’s important to note the difference between a kornet and other atgms or shaped charges warheads. Kornets have some of the highest penetration values for ground based anti tank weapons.

I will say the side turret armor on the Leopard 2A5 and above is actually good in game, especially when you compare it any other western tank. Especially the Abrams, it’s really bad.

It is interesting to see how the side armor split apart and bulged, current guess is that it’s NERA based on other photos and that seems to support the idea that it’s NERA.

Also right behind where it hits is the gunner optic armor that extends back. Although based on that stick, I don’t think it penetrated the side turret and hit the optic armor.

You’re saying that “This was said in American television so it must be fake.”
So you’re also admitting that since the whole tank thing is fake, then the results of the “Spetznaz vs Green Berets” Deadliest warrior is ALSO fake. And since you must believe those results are fake you are in fact accepting that Green Berets would beat the spetznaz in a 5v5 battle to the death. Checkmate Commie

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😭😭😭 say it ain’t so. The ballistic knife was Russia’s secret weapon once they ran out of shovels.

yeah, were, lmao

The reason it has gone into the Ukraine conversation is that it is a real-time peer vs. peer conventional war involving many of the vehicles we are using at top tier. It is inescapable that comparisons are made, conclusions drawn, etc. rightly or wrongly.

Some things have been novel and nobody could have guessed years ago (for example) you’d have old Soviet-vintage Su-24s firing British stealth cruise-missiles. Or MiG-29s running around with HARMs. Cardboard drones doing beastly things to Strategic bombers. If it weren’t for the fact that people are getting killed I’d say it would make a great Tom Clancy novel - like Red Storm Rising Plus.

For others it merely confirmed what they suspected all along. I was of the (Western, semi-professional interest in such matters, British) opinion that most Russian kit post-91 (e.g. post-USSR) was a bit crap. Well marketed and talked up, ingeniously so.

You could indeed have a system every bit as a good as a Western equivalent but for a fraction of the price! Rolls Royces for KIA prices if you will. They sold bucketloads.

But alas, a bit crap when people start shooting back at you. The recent unpleasantness has merely put a very thick and well documented line under that belief. Looking at the arms sales for Russia post 2022 it would appear that a lot of the usual buyers are drawing the similar conclusions.

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Which one if I may ask? According to my tracker, the only Leopard 2 with a damaged roof top was a 2A4 hit with an artillery shell. The one time an FPV did hit a 2A6 on the turret roof, it left some scratches and nothing beyond that.

The problem is they keep adding these tanks for western nations that realistically don’t offer anything new instead of adding ones that do actually have better armour.

I support adding vehicles that aren’t necessarily upgrades but sidegrades but the issue is the PSO arrived way too late to just be a side grade to the 2A5. The 2A6 arrived too early and got DM53 and that fucked up germany to this day. There was a few months of curb stomping but at what cost

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the PSO isn’t necessarily just a sidegrade either, its a bit of a downgrade, its heavier, has worse inertia and has worse armor for some reason lmao

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few months ? im pretty sure it didnt took that long till they nerfed the reload on 2a6…

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It was post Hot Tracks so yeah a few months, it was also nerfed to a literally unplayable 7.1s iirc

chinese top tier MBTs: 7.1s is unplayable?

I think the T-80U was also 7.1s reload back then, not sure though.

Literally same amount as in any other tank.

I dont see Kurganetz, or T-14,15,16. I dont see modernisations of T80BVM or T90M, T72B2, any version of Obj 187, Obj 195. I dont see a single IFV modernisations of BMP3/2 in game (if you dont count 2S38 and BMP2M) and theres many existing. I dont see BMD vehicles in game (TT), while people ask for USMC TT in game. Is that something else ? I dont see modernisations of Pantsir or Strela in game.

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right right dude that is so much bs in that bit of text

ah yes so thats why l27a1 dm53 are also not able to ? xD

Lets not forget M829A3 can by-pass kontakt-5 with sheer force rather then having anti-era tip.

Seems like he doesnt like to mention about that part just like how he refused russian tanks doesnt have spalling.

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