Why can't NATO have a well armored MBT?

I would say these 2 are the best to post on rn

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you explained that well. as a reference you can call the sim with the 3 letters. there the F-16C is really a F-16C with everything that belongs to it and the Migs are only Migs.

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“leopard_2a5_turret_nera” is just a general name that Gaijin chose for any NERA armour that isn’t composite screens, it’s actually irrelevant.

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It is relevant because it pulls from the other code. Meaning they all act the same, even though they shouldn’t.

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I also think that is the case. But given how many modifiers gets put after it makes me quesion why not make new altogether

It is the case… Here is the game code:

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Today i found on my pc folder with unupdated WT 1.83. So i did what most people would do in this situation. I unpacked aces. So i have data from 2018. If you want me to compare any tank from then to now, tall me

Wow, that is really nice. We should compare the new vs the old russian missiles. They feel like they got upgraded.

If you mean AtA, they were not yet in the game. ATGMs and AGMs only

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https://forum.warthunder.ru/t/pomenyat-punkt-na-true-v-kode-o-sozdanii-vtorichnyh-oskolkov-u-sssr-tankov-t-72-t-80-t-64/18181

Me when I shoot at the BVM or 72B3 in my M1A2 with M829A2 (it should pen) and it nonpens and so I get shot in what should be a protected part of my tank (the turret) and die in one shot

Seriously though Russian tanks feel so disproportionally armored compared to NATO MBTs that I have played, like even as far back as the T-55 it starts doing that where it barely has anywhere to shoot that actually causes damage

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how come? i can’t understand Russians and google trans suck

You just don’t miss a beat lol. Anything past 2A7 or SEP v3 is basically fantasy. As fantasy as any other proposed Russian export tank. T-90M with all three major Obr’s, T-72B3M Obr.2022 and 2023, T-80BVM Obr. 2019, 2022, and 2023… Not to mention new production T-80’s starting up in Omsk again, means we likely will get either a completely new T-80, or at least a Obr.2024. T-14, T-15, Kurganets, BMPT Terminator and it’s Obr’s 2022 and 2023.

Then there’s an entire fleet of BMP’s and BMD’s that haven’t been added, let alone Tor M1 and M2, or adding a new T-55AM-1 obr 2023 or T-62M-1 obr 2023 in the mid tree.

But yea “rUssIaN BiAs sO op”

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Those vehicles will never happen. The 2A7+ and 2A8 already exist. The next gen Bradley’s (we are missing at least 10 of them) already exist. The next gen STRV 123A and STRV 123B.

Russia isn’t making anything new. They will be lucky to keep what they have operational at this point. Anything they paper napkin dreamt isn’t going to get produced now.

They can’t even produce and get the 2S38 we have in game fully operational, and they have not gone into official service yet. We should stick to reality and not wishful thinking.

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But… Its already in production…

T-90M and T-90M Obr. 2020 are already in the game files. T-80BVM Obr. 2019 is basically just a BVR with T-90M sideskirts and the up armor option to also retain the Relikt add-on ERA. So the T-80BVM Obr. 2019 is basically confirmed too. So again, you’re wrong.

Wrong. I could send you videos and images of the new production T-90M’s or the refurbed T-72B’s, and you still wouldn’t see the truth. When the Omsk plant publishes footage of it’s first new production T-80’s I’m going to tag you just to make a point.

Also wrong

Again, wrong. But mostly because they aren’t drawing stuff up on napkins, they’re actual blueprints.

They haven’t ordered production on it yet. It’s still undergoing trials. The basic problem is the weight of the 57mm shell, and how to better design the drum, as well as some sort of drone carrying complex, which is easily more important on the battlefield than the 57mm at this point. They can produce a 2S38, it just doesn’t meet Russian standards, which do exist, and produce excellent combat vehicles at maximum efficiency.

If we took what you said without any doubt what-so-ever, we’d come to the conclusion that Russia no longer functions as a state at all, and that every factory is a burnt-out hole in the ground, and that there isn’t a single import to sustain what you’d claim Russia can’t produce domestically in the first place. You really should step outside the media-world you live in, and look at the experiences of people living in Russia, it’s not some dysfunctional hell-hole like you claim.

russia makes a lot of claims. They also claimed to have sent an a working T-14 Armata into Ukraine but it was under special protection and no one saw it. But they said so… so it must be true…

Realistically they ain’t producing anything. They are struggling and keep up and just keep operational.

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I guess we can continue to put up with this fantasy russian nonsense, but in reality. Those aren’t going to happen. They are all lies and fake.

Show them to me deployed and not more fake images. The kremlin already got caught using war thunder images for their promo images and propaganda.

I don’t believe it, but if they bring them to the game we can be certain they will have more fictional characteristics and over performing armor and ERA.

But in reality, those tanks are pipe dreams filled with lies and propaganda. They shouldn’t be in game until we find another one dead and can confirm they have the claimed technology and armor specs. Which shouldn’t take long if they actually deploy one of these made up machines.

I saw another 2 dozen reports this morning. I am very correct in that they are struggling to keep what they have functional and that the in game vehicles are far far unrealistic compared to what they actually have.

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… Except… No. It wasnt a claim.

And again… No. New versions of T-90M, 72B3 and 80BVM are produced. New batches goes from manufacture every couple of months. It always supplied with footage.

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