Ok? The highest br Roland aa is 10.3, that’s still .7 lower than the tor is gonna be.
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And what does that have to do with the tor?
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why would you need thermals when you can just spam click in third person like everyone else does?
There are times when it refuses to lock in third person and having to manually lock onto it is SVERELY hard without the use of thermals and especially at extended ranges. Thermals is a huge thing but most people like yourself don’t appreciate it.
The Tor-M1 should be 11.3 however, it’s good for 11.7 but that’s because every other SPAA around it is garbage at around 11.3 to 11.7.
The adats is the Only SPAA that can’t do this
This was bug reported and got acknowledge, the ADATS should be able to lock in third person in a short amount of time (give or take 1 decade knowing Gaijin).
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“This aa is so bad that it’s basically useless, so your aa that’s also so bad it’s basically useless shouldn’t go down in br” is a pretty useless point. I’m guessing you don’t have the tor, it’s the same useless missiles with a bit of extra range, you can’t shoot them at things close to you, and you get a track radar. You still can’t shoot them at maneuvering targets, you still can’t steer them without them just being wet noodles, you have to hand guide them because the track radar fights you and puts the missiles into sarh mode on chaff and bombs, what exactly makes it so much better than the Roland’s you’re complaining about?
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because Otomatic at 11.3
Since you are seemingly unable to understand, I will directly state my point to you:
I find it insulting that Gaijin can lower the BR of an SPAA system (TOR and HQ-17) that are nowhere as as unusable as Rolands, but won’t put any effort into fixing or lower the BR’s of the Roland systems and many other SPAA that are absolutely terrible.
I’m not saying the Tor and HQ-17 shouldn’t or don’t deserve being moved down in BR, but what is stopping them for applying similair changes to other SPAA that are completely useless???
Your meaning to tell me Gaijin in all of their wisdom looked at the state of other SPAA and decided the Rolands were perfectly fine and didn’t need any changes???
What a joke.
Edit: Also the Tor being a lower BR than the OTOMATIC is a hilarious example of how bad Gaijin is at properly balancing SPAA
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How far down in br would the roland have to go to make you happy? It already sees planes with no rwr’s and no contermeasers. The tor is massively over br’d and it’s being corrected, that doesn’t mean that the Roland’s should be able to shoot at 50’s jets.
I don’t think you were paying attention when I told you that Rolands are completely unusable.
Even the most basic turns from a straight flying aircraft make the missile completely veer of course.
Even if the Roland was 8.7, it would still be absolute garbage because it STILL wouldn’t be able to hit anything; There isn’t a single BR this thing could be placed at and be usable in it’s current state.
Also how is not having RWR even relevant when the Rolands are both super slow and produce insane amounts of smoke???
ANY aircraft can see the incoming missile and dodge it.
Rolands aren’t “bad”; They are completely unusable.
There is a reason you don’t even see them in-game anymore; everyone who did use them realizes how terrible they now are and uses MANPADS or other systems like VT-1 instead.
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1- made me chuckle.
2- Fingers crossed.
I mean you can’t shoot stuff close to you in other SPAA too. We had all Japan left in one of my recent battles. No one had a gun SPAA. Since top options are all, gun-less, radar-less vics with missiles which take seconds to start tracking and adjust to target in flight path. So any close target is immune. We launched missiles at the Ka-50 whatever in our spans and he’d just always move and was able to just destroy anyone lol.
The tor is functionally as useless as Japans SPAA. I don’t see why ours shouldn’t go down as well.
Huge smoke trail, no radar, long delay on guidance time, no gun. And as much as I hear about the great missiles IRCCM, they both constantly chase flares. To the point I never fire 1, I normally fire 3 or all 4 and get a 25% hit rate or so. This is not even including that or physically can’t shoot any helis either. Since it can’t lock them or manually guide.
I’m not trying to clog the thread, but if TOR is dropping, I’m not sure why type81 wouldn’t be due to drop as well. It probably should drop; I just don’t see why it’s the only one worth dropping.
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Yeah the type 81 is probably over br’d, though it can shoot at planes that are out of sight, so it has its place. Ir aa’s are way better than saclos aa’s for planes, but way worse for helis and tanks. I generally bring the tor for helis and the antelope for planes.
It’s not probably, it’s def over br’d lol. It has no functionality against helicopters, no radar and no gun. It being .3 step below ADATS is criminal. ADATS while not great either, still has functionality against helis, tanks and planes.
It can’t really shoot at planes out of sight, I’m not sure what you mean. If you can’t see them, you can’t shoot at them, they don’t exist, there’s no radar. Could you elaborate further?
With a saclos aa you need line of sight on the plane the whole time, but with ir aa’s you can just fire the missile when the plane pops up for a second and it doesn’t matter if you can maintain line of sight. Extremely useful for low flying planes.
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How many people have used Tor here? If you feel that your air defense is terrible and needs to be lowered, go and ask Gaijin to vote with those who agree with you, instead of trying to let the same malice befall others with a “no one else can be better than me” attitude.
Ah, yeah if you can see them lol. Which I can’t till they’re on top of me from not radar and by then it’s easy to dodge cuz guidance doesn’t kick in for a minute.
I get what you’re saying though.
Also I glossed over the antelope comment. I dodge missiles constantly, pretty run of the mill move. But the last few days, for some reason I have gotten killed over and over again by the antelope which I’ve never known I’ve faced before and now my move to spin and dodge them head on doesn’t work. Nor can I out pull them in a turn when they chase me. I’ve watched them over and over again chase me down what normally pulls too many G’s for the IR missiles shot at me from other nations.
Is there soemthing special about their missiles? Dying to them and nothing else besides a pantsir has given me pause, but the stat card reveals nothing special.
gen 1 thermals trying to lock planes 15km out. you won’t see them let alone one of the UAVs . Only thing thermal is good for is looking at smoke trails
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They’re just regular air to air missiles strapped to a kei truck, I haven’t used them in like a week so maybe they buffed them but they tend to overlead the target so if you aim your nose at the ground they’ll fly into the ground.
Yeah it’s annoying having to slew the gun up high to hit anything even marginally heading down. Otherwise every missile always impacts the deck after firing, unless it’s flying straight up.