the thrust part i get considering gaijin has the booster and sustainer firing at the same time in 27E variants, as for illumination part it’s a tossup as it was one of the worst preforming missiles irl during its usages (when the aim120 was a thing, the 27ER got like 1 or 2 confirmed hits but i dont remember off the top of my head) but all SARH missiles where hot garbage compared to newer ARH missiles so it would not effect in game statistics
still the r27er overperforms to the point not only it’s a sea level hypersonic missile, it’s also too good considering how “bad” soviet radars are. For the record, notching doesn’t always work against soviet radars because of missile datalink and innertial guidance; still non soviet radars aren’t much better and have much more limited searching aspects.
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Again I must ask, what proof is there?
a year after and russian mains still need proof? edit: you don’t even fly russia which is even funnier. Apologist.
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again, even if these missiles would be made to absolute realism, due to how small war thunder maps are and how people play all SARH missiles without an inverse monopulse seekers would be useless below some 300m alt when looking down, the missile overperforms yes, but all SARH missiles in the game do at the moment
“shvak is the hardest hitting gun in the game” is such an overstatement it made me laugh out loud for about 5 minutes, my man, they are fighting against wooden planes, no wonder it can make the enemy burn, on the other hand in props tier the fw 190 canon’s are much more relibale (20mm punching holes like a 50mm, bullet drop being way less punitive, dmg being more consistant)
Furthermore, saying that is completly wrong, I’ve seen ns 23 and nr 23’s (which are supposedly much better) do hits against f86, while the f86-A5 and 25 variants can in 1 bullet, rip a plane in half and make it burn to hell (let’s remember it’s a 12.7mm)
and to end this, if you are in a f15 and a f14 and f16, and can’t beat a su 27 nor a mig 29, it’s just skill issue, except the r27, they got noting for themselves, if you really look at it, they got one of the WORST fox 3’s ingame, some sht radars (mig 23 being straight up horrible before the mld), sht accel (it’s a 1.09 thrust to weight ratio on the mig 29 normally), sh*t energy retention (I even saw a guy ingame that could loose all his speed in 1 turn in a su 27 but couldn’t go under 500kph when landing even with full controls on a f15)
to top it off, I wanna say something, it ain’t 2014, russia isn’t a pure bias now, most missiles are acting normal, most planes had been nerfed (perf or br changes), most russian vehicules got huge weaknesses in their gameplay (let’s take for example the 2s1 which cant flank anymore cuz of the map changes, or su 7/17’s which most of the time doesn’t get flares and are underperforming compared to their NATO counterparts, or t-34 1940 which cant even compete with the m4a1 in armor or firepower).
Anyway, I hope you get better at the game and check the update logs and the non talked update changes that gaijin put from time to time
you talk as if you stopped playing in 2020. You can’t defeat r24r missiles, first of all because the mig23’s radar is not doppler, it filters clutter out so you can’t notch because it’s not doppler and you can’t chaff either because it filters clutter. Second point, R24R sports top tier missile stats like datalink, innertial guidance and a massive warhead plus 20 meters of fuse radius.
What part of this doesnt still make the ruski missiles the best?
That would be the bit where FOV IRCCM only works in one aspect and at relatively short range while the tracking suspension on AIM-9M etc works in all aspects and ranges.
Even if you argue the FOV is better then tracking suspension the PL-8B is better in most cases, if you get into a situation where you are relying on the HOBS of the R-73 you screwed up well before then.
Maybe you mean the R-27 , because the R-24R has no DL
Dont know where you pulled 20m proxy from either. Seems like you’ve got your info all messed up.
Also reviving a post that’s been dead for two years is … cool i guess?
At least he took his time to think about his response…
All fox 2 have their moments. Its hard to pick an outright winner
Fox 1 though is a non contest.
Best early heli guided missiles. Im guessing best TT too? Not reached it yet but my money is on yes
Mica best missile for close range. R77-1 best at the rest
i would say more so medium ranges
and the amraam is the best at long ranges but those long range shots dont matter in WT
Its hard to say as the EF is launching them with more speed and height. R77-1 on the EF would be nasty but…
As ruski are the only nation that any of their missiles can be argued to be the best- other than mica close range it says it all TBH