The Soviets run tests with captured Panthers by firing 122mm HE shells at them. Since IS-2s carried more HE than AP into battle (due to their nature as a breakthrough heavy), this was a natural thing for them to test.
Even when you don’t achieve the kind of catastrophic ammo rack shown in the picture above, damage to the armour, including dislodging of the upper glacis, made the vehicle so hit inoperable.
As for the interior, the Soviets placed blast sensors into the Panther to see what kind of energies would go inside. And (I hate writing this since as a pet owner I find it really disturbing, but history is history) they also placed small animals inside the vehicle to see what would happen to them once it was hit by the HE shell.
They died, and so would humans. The exact way in which you die can change, but you’re not going to be combat-worthy and probably life-worthy after such a hit.
So the answer to your why question is quite simple.
First of all, HE is only a reliable tank killer at pretty big calibres. Even for the 100mm the Soviets judged it insufficient for example. Now, to continue with the Soviet example, if you’re using the T-34-85 as the tank that has to exploit the breakthrough after it’s already been created, it’s needless to say that it’s gonna need AP. An 85mm HE shell is not reliable enough against well-armoured targets.
When the calibres got bigger, the calculations changed. It’s particularly interesting to me that the IS-2 carried more HE than AP into battle because its ammo carrying capacity was already very limited and commanders were instructed to fire their rounds wisely. So as it happens they must have placed considerable faith in their 122mm HE shells.
It must also be pointed out that - not just for tanks, but for towed pieces too - Soviet doctrine had a very straightforward assessment: any gun of a large enough calibre is an anti-tank gun if you need it to be.
Ever. Show me any APHE shell the Churchill III ever used in British service, please? Same for the Firefly’s 17pdr, which never had any sort of APHE shell.
And hell, all the British/French vehicles that should have APHE have them, AFAIK. AMX-13 FL11, Churchill NA75, any 75 Sherman…
Give me one swedish vehicle ingame that was not historically manufactured, in at least one example.
Your shallow, oafish perspective of history from a WW2-exclusive standard is laughable, in that it seems to prompt you to make the absolute funniest statements like this.
In response to your deleted statement… What battle did the Independent ever fight? The Maus? The T95? M6, Excelsior, Ostwind II? E100, M4/T26, TOG II, I can go on and on and on about so-called “WW2” vehicles that never stepped an inch into a battlefield :P
Sounds like you are getting stroppy now you have had your arse kicked lol
Like I said tell me why War Thunder can’t take on board everything you have said here and give the UK APHE for the Cromwell etc give them roof mounted MGs?
Why not ? We are not doing history as you say so what is the problem?
You bring in history as and when you feel like it? Why not give Italy the WW2 type heavy tanks it needs? reality is not a thing so go for it.
The deleted statement was off topic and the Maus was the death blow to this game as far as realism goes ,it became WoTs at that point.Another bad example.
Cram as much crap into the game and f*** the game play and immersion.
Mate, you’re legitimately delusional if that’s what you take from that.
Because, WW2 or not, that legitimately never happened.
Yes, I do believe Italy should get the Tiger tanks they were actually afforded by Germany, and possibly the P.43 given it’s pretty well-documented :>
Going further would be going into the territory of the genuinely non-existent, postwar or not.
So why do you still play it? None of that’s ever getting removed or changed in the way you want.
But as you say none of what happens in War thunder legitimately ever happened so what point are you making? You have no answer to why we cant have the same ammo as everybody else for France and UK in this fantasy game where Sweden fought WW2 with prototypes and The Tiger faces the M109.
Oh, man how I’d love to have the T57 and T58 ingame, as well as the T69. Especially the T58. If this guy thinks the M109s are bad, wait until he sees a tank from only a year or two after the war ended sporting a 155mm revolving autoloader system, with actual armor to boot.
Because the Vehicles ingame are the point of realism. The scenarios, battles, and opponents they face are not.
And you were so very close to stumbling onto the point, pity…
Why not introduce the Wespe,Hummel or Priest if you want Artillery firing directly at tanks. What doofus suggested spamming the M109 anyway? Its lame and lazy
but like I said why not give APHE to UK and Italy.
Fact is you cannot defend the indefensible and that is why you are struggling for an answer.Despite what you claim history does matter in this game.
The point of realism is lost the moment you put those vehicles out of the time line they were relevant in and even useful.Most WW2 tanks made themselves obsolete in a couple years you dont need the game to make them worse by pitting them up against something that can pen their amour twice over.
Like I said ,this is about the OP and the OP could have APHE like the tanks he faces and if he has an issue with tanks from the tanks in his era in reality then what about the time travelers in the game?
War Thunder should either do realism or do fantasy ,not hover somewhere in between where you cant defend it.
I don’t really know why Gaijin could be averse to adding so many different SPH platforms to the game. Could it be that… The same tank, which all those nations actually used… Is easier to add to them all at once, and a lot easier to balance?! Le gasp!
You’re the one who keeps reaching further than a 2010 Halo title for apples-to-oranges comparisons.
I don’t think you get what I’m saying. The vehicles themselves are portrayed with relative realism, as in they (mostly) get all the bells and whistles they did in reality, correct armor, etc.
MBIC, most WW2 tanks that have to face 60s tanks in the first place have excellent guns, armor, and mobility in comparison. Literally the one metric the HEAT-slingers have on their side is penetration, and if their shell only manages to yellow your ammo and nothing else, or fizzles out on a thin bush, or gets eaten by a track, they have nothing.
Oh man, I absolutely love that I can break this out on you.
War Thunder used to have loading screen trivia, about mercenary groups buying old, battered tanks from various eras and using them against each other. The main multiplayer component of the game was never based on historicity, only making sure every tank has its correct armaments, armor, and mobility and nothing more or less :>
And who says that? Some dweeb who can’t kill a vehicle with all the armor of a cardboard box in his heavily-armored, rapid-firing turreted heavy tank? The Churchill III has an HE shell that will one-shot open-topped vehicles, if you use it. It’s not an IKV driver’s fault if you don’t bring the right tool for the job and he does.
