What actually is being discussed here ? It’s a badly made OP and just sounds like a rant ,but about what exactly? People seem to be agreeing then disagreeing and quoting physics that both agrees and disagrees with certain people at certain times.
That statement would be shot down if it were an era separation post which I think some people thought it was.Saying a tank in your approximate BR should not be able to harm you is vague and odd.The OP gives zero circumstances to how he was killed and provides no footage yet 24 people liked it.
I agree about heavy tanks but put a post on here about the Tiger being bullied by cold war artillery it should never facing and opinion turns.
without any context you still have this physics as you say
So people saying angling does not help for a Panzer IV ,well yes it will of course help but how much is the issue,not much at all in most cases but you can see the increase a 50 degree slop gives so to say angling does nothing is incorrect.Put the tiger in the game in a full uptier at 7BR and it too may find angling does little but it is a tank that supposedly should angle for better protection.
as for the discussion on the Churchill VII and it’s gun ,it’s an old one and swings all ways this from a long time ago.
If these cold war artillery vehicles move up for “authenticity/realism”, a buff to HE and addition of WW2 equivalents is necessary, and you’d be worse than back to square zero with realistic HE behavior :>
(PS: These are hits from as small as 122mm HE)
If these cold war artillery vehicles move up for “authenticity/realism”, a buff to HE and addition of WW2 equivalents is necessary, and you’d be worse than back to square zero with realistic HE behavior :>
(PS: These are hits from as small as 122mm HE)
Spherically exploding APHE and it’s consequences for people actually needing to aim.
90% of occasions you die to high caliber HE you would have died regardless of if it was a post war SPH or another tank, and secondly sure the SPH can “pen” you anywhere but literally so can you just shoot the gunner.
The Churchill 7’s gun fires the same ammo (without HE filler) as the 75mm M3, and I’ve had no issues dispatching Pz IVs of any model with it. 6pdr has more pen and the smaller projectile is less affected by volumetric.
All I can say is that this is a skill issue unless someone posts a video of them repeatedly shooting a Pz IV in a place that makes sense to shoot at, and it consistently nonpenning.
Because generally, those were (and still are) more accurate and travel faster in direct fire.
More ammunition can be carried, a faster fire rate can be achieved, less risk of a stray hit causing a vehicle to brew up…
Please, next time, think about what you’re saying more carefully before saying it. Unless you seriously believe WW2 tanks could really tank direct hits from 155mm+ HE and be just fine?
Absolutely nonsensical comparisons as a fallback? Get better material, please.
I’ve provided you a valid, similar in so many ways option and you still cry for Gaijin to change a game that hasn’t been WW2-only since its inception.
Edit: As a bonus, let me just throw the original ground vehicle lineups for Russia and USA when they were first added to the game in here again, since you don’t seem to have responded to them in the other thread :P
You have this entire argument on the wrong thread ,its a WW2 rage about the Churchill
and that player feeling that the game does not replicate his vision of WW2 …odd in a game that as you say is not WW2.So he can’t pen a Panzer IV and the Panzer IV can one shot him.So that is the game ,so what,it’s not historical ,right?
