But If I had to choose only 3 nations, having US, China and Britan will give you lots of platforms to play with.
France if you care about the rafale, if you don’t, china already has the mirage 2000k and Israeli has modifications of mirage 3 and 5 (I think?)
I am Rank 8 in all but Italy and Sweden and I don’t foresee myself grinding any other nation in the future. Italy is just copy paste for the most part, sweden I only care about the gripen which Britain has access to.
The last nation I am finishing, which is Israel, at least got some interesting modifications without being straight copy paste from other trees, and is very easy to grind.
It’s largely preference, but Japan has the fastest grind for the same OP jets that USA and Israel have.
Soviets have their own OP 13.7, but that’s about it.
What?! You can’t be serious, the only big adventage of Su-27SM over other top tier jets is amout of missile and that’s it which are not as good as NATO counterparts(except R-73 that thing is nasty).
First of all you don’t even have Su-27SM
Second, that’s bs. N001vep is the second worst radar on top tier, almost everything is better. RWR is also worst than others with small cover area. Airframe is still underperforming.
Great weapon? The only truly great weapon is R-73, R-77 is lacking a lot of it’s performance, range etc it has high G pulls and that’s all. R-27ERs on top tier are not that great as on 13.0, they has speed but everything with 2 braincell will just launch amraam and turn away.
You claim that Su-27SM with its airframe that performs better than the F-16C and almost as good as Gripen is underperforming, which is claiming that it’s supposed to be better than Gripen.
Su-27SM = 19.5 degrees per second.
Gripen = 19.7 degrees per second.
Than show me where i claimed that Su-27SM is better or worst than F-16 or JAS-39. I said that airframe is still underperforming, do you know what does it mean?
If 0.2 degrees per second worse than Gripen is Su-27SM “underperforming”, prove that it’s supposed to be BETTER than Gripen.
Degrees per second IS energy retention.
Su-27SM TWR is a minimum of 1.3:1 with 5 minutes of afterburning fuel.
28,000/ 4700 + 16700 = 1.3:1.
Drag is irrelevant as sustained turn rate will show thrust to drag ratio.
Gripen wins in a dogfight by 0.2 degrees per second.
And Su-27SM wins against F-16Cs in dogfights when opponents are equal.
Oh and F-15E/Mig-29SMT with the worst energy retention above 13.0 do fine in air RB, cause while energy retention is important, it’s less important the higher it goes for random battles.
Su-27SM has around 21deg/s sustained turn rate. At high speeds (+850kph IAS) by abusing trim controls, it can achieve about 22.5deg/s. At full instructor pull it goes about 17.5-18deg/s. At 500kph IAS 19deg/s.
The F-15E at 500kph IAS does about 18deg/s which is substantially worse, but it actually matches all higher speeds sustained turn rates from the su-27 almost identically.
Gripen crushes both easily because even when played like a retard, it has 19deg/s at just 380kph IAS which is what you get with full max instructor sustained turn.
At 500kph IAS it goes to 20.5deg/s.
At 750kph IAS, 22deg/s which is achievable without trim tricks, it’s a far cry from the 24deg/s it had not long ago, but still very strong and currently still has the best energy retention among ALL top tiers. (At dogfighting speeds)
This above is not aimed at changing AlvisWisla’s opinion, just a counter-misinformation for you guys.
Yes there is. Every chance they get now they add better versions of our top jets to other trees.
F-15JM vs F-15C
F-15E vs F-15I
Israeli vs American A-4’s
Israel and Japan to a lesser degree have objectively better top tier air than US. I wouldn’t be saying anything about this if they gave US F-15 the BOL pods (we used them) but they haven’t when it would put them on more level playing field with Japan and Israeli F-15
Then there is Rafale which is on its own level, and eft which is already pretty good from what I’ve heard and will be even better when it’s radar is fixed in reliability
