Honestly the VT-4A at least has decent protection (its still pretty bad protection for top tier but not as bad as something like the Challenger 2 or the Ariete) and an APS but an extreme lacking in the offense department (7.1 second autoloader with one of the worst rounds at top tier). I know the Chinese community has been very upset about the UFP and the ERA on it and honestly I don’t blame them. With something like the Leclerc’s at least you have a 5 second autoloaded reload with pretty decent rounds, but despite this the ariete is just sad.
The Ariete has a 5 second reload ONLY if you have an aced crew and unlike the leclercs and the type 10/TKX where sometimes you can take a shot to the turret without it penning miraculously, the Ariete can be penned in the turret cheek by something like a leo 2a4. It was so bad instead of Gaijin fixing it they instead added a 2a7 to Italy so they could just forget about all the issues with the Ariete (they also didn’t move it down after moving the Chally 3 down which shocked me). So with the 2a7 Italy certainly has a good top tier experience alongside the AH-129D and your choice between the Gripen, Eurofighter, F16ADF and the AV-8B for CAS, which is really good. Overall Italy’s top tier is no where near as bad with the Hungarian subtree as it was like a year ago.
China does definitely have the worst top tier though as much as some people hate to hear it. China was one of my first top tier nations and let me tell you it is not a lot of fun. For ground you get a pitiful 7.1 second reload on all your options, alongside a very outdated APFSDS that doesn’t really make up for the lack of reload. One benefit is that they’re really fast and good at flanking but this is heavily outweighed by the long reload and you’d be much better off in something like a TKX or Type 10. The armor is also just sad, with a massive LFP that pretty much results in a one shot every time you don’t have much going for you there. And with only -5 degrees of gun depression, staying hull down is not very realistic on most maps. The HQ-17 was a nice addition to China’s top tier but came in about 2 years too late and is still significantly worse than the pantsir. For heli’s you get the Z-19 and Z-10, both of which are not bad whatsoever but also not too special and are definitely outclassed by every other nations top tier helis (besides maybe Japan and Sweden). And for CAS you are the worst off for any nation by a pretty large margin, having no 12.7 besides the J-11a which does not have any guided weaponry.
Overall the top tier China experience is much worse off than something like Italy or France now that they have leopards (and France has the Rafale which absolutely destroys GRB). For the most part I don’t think there is a “bad” top tier nation right now, however there are ones that aren’t as good as the others like China and Israel. But MBT wise China is definitely the worst off currently out of any nation.
I was rereading it and a key thing it says is “there was no penetration of DU armor by iraqi fire”. There are different ways to take this but one way is that the Iraqi military had some/few stronger APFSDS shells that had been able to penetrate the non upgraded M1A1s but failed to do so for the heavy variants. However it could also mean there was no penetration of the abram’s armor in general which then disproves what I said above about them haveing a stronger APFSDS.
For some reason I thought you said weren’t, i’m sorry that one is on me. Like i’m generally sorry for being rude.
However it is a the same abram’s correct just with an added armor package. Meaning it could in theory come to the game as a modification like the chicken wire armor of the stryker, or the mine protection on some higher teir tanks.
Yeah but they nerfed the seeker on the TY-90 in what I assume was preparation for adding the PL-8B but didn’t so now it’s not as busted as it used to be. The AKD’s are fine, nothing special basically a hellfire thats slower.
Funny thing is, Gaijin decided to remodel the ZTZ99A after too many players complained that it was inaccurate (yes, the model of the tank itself was wrong, the LFP was oversized).
Yet, after the remodel the length of the tank is still incorrect, the UFP protection somehow got worse (because Gaijin doesn’t think China can make composite armor better than T-72B from 1985), there are no spall liners (yet PLZ05, mid-2000s SPG arrives with spall liners), and they somehow made the turret cheeks have a weakspot when it is clearly above the turret ring.
To show you how little Gaijin cares about this tank, the left turret cheek and the right turret cheek don’t even have the same protection value.
Chally is by far the worst top tier MBT. I’d rather have mobility over armor anytime + DM53 is far far better than the british trash L27 shell. Nothing is worse than being not only slow but also having a trash gun, oh and useless armor and a terrible internal layout.
I have to add that there is literally no way you people think that the abrams and the leclerc are WORSE than the challys. Either the people voting on these threads are trolling or the forum community has lead poisoning from eating paint chips. This “poll” is exactly why vooooooooting on something is pointless when the people vooooooooting have 0 clue how this game works.
Also that AH1 RWR sucks, and this isn’t like sth insane that demolishes entire teams AFAIK it is less and less significant now, especially with ARH missiles. I really would say Z10 at least RN is not a 12.0 heli, not even 11.7 worthy considering u can’t see anything.
100% agree. The Chally is also incredibly easy to kill when I play the HSTV-L it’s the tank I one tap most often. No side spall liners and the ammo rack is literally in the middle of the tank. It’s as bad as T-series except T-series have actual armor.
Its the APS on the BN. Its enough to put the CR2 ahead of a lot of other tanks at the moment. If all tanks had that though, then yeah, it would be easily one of the worst tanks in the game at the moment, and depending on the situation, likely the worst.
But the other CR2s without APS (AKA all of the rest) yeah, nothing justifying them being anywhere near top tier at the moment
no, the aps only works in very specific situations and only blocks apfsds at long ranges. 90% of the time it does almost nothing to help you. When it works its great and gods gift, but we are talking about overall and overall its near useless in most situations.
It also blocks all AGMs and ATGMs, well, at least 4 without rearm. Given the fact that things like Su-34s are so dominant at top tier at the moment, the APS can actually provide a level of protection
Its not worth losing all other qualities for that mediocre level of protection. Again its about averages not the one situation that the tank shines in.
as a player who hasn’t played toptier yet but im on my way to T 80, I think Merkava and Challie are worse than Ariete. They really lack mobility and Challie has lots of weakspots despite its massive armor, and Merkava is a joke in terms of protection. Ariete has that, but also better mobility and great gun. Armor is still nothing that Leclerc, Ariete and Merkava could make you envy about, but Italians surpass Frenchies in gun power (I think Leclerc is the worst top tier gun rn?) and Jews in mobility. And British - both, I think?
Strictly personal opinion as I’ll discover everything myself soon
Its a nice surprise to a BMP2M player, dumps the Kornets at you and is shocked when you dont die.
A Heli will just focus you with the gun, rockets or more atgms
Darts is a strange one sometimes it works great other times it allows an HSTVL to snipe you from 2km away!
KH-38 yes I have seen it work, but the splash damage leaves you really broken and in need of a 40+ second repair.
The reality is though the CR2 is basically a Leopard 2A4 with in some places superior armour. The great thermals/aps system do not make up for it.
