The title is self explanatory, where should each nation that isn’t the main tree (USA/Germany/USSR/UK/Japan/France/Italy/China/Israel/Sweden) go.
I’m curious to hear what nations would go to which tree and if some should be independent.
(Don’t forget to drop tree proposals and vehicles of said nations)
Also please keep it civil
im afraid there arent that many nations which could stand on its own or with minimal help from other countries left to add.
poland, czechoslovakia, yugoslavia, brazil obviously prolly few other i forgot to mention.
turkey seems interesting and capable to stand on its own with little copypaste but the issue i have with the most popular proposal for it on forums is that it requires modern MRAPs or APCs with autocannons to fill in for SPAAGs. not problem with vehicles starting at, lets say, 8.7 BR, but i dont think this:
I know, I know, gaijin balances by capability, not date of introduction. but 30mm stabilised autocannon on very fast platform will just lead to another R3 T20 on release situation (it was BR 3.3 on release) where it will just flank around the edge of the map and go to town on second line vehicles 50 years older.
its already happening with BTR-82, and that one sits at 7.3 BR without stabiliser.
and, if gaijin balances it by lets say only limiting it to the HE belts, there will be million and one threads about why it doesnt get access to AP, APDS or APFSDS belts.
also, going over the suggestion in detail, this one gets optical tracking, which would make it probably THE best 7.0 AA in the entire game.
the aforementioned issue could be probably applied to other nations too. they would need to get vehicles 50 years younger to fill in gaps, which im not fan of.
Actually never really considered era mixing as a problem which actually raises a fair point (though I believe coastal would be exempt and bluewater to a lesser degree)
Another concern I have with Turkey is it’s low tier air is unimpressive last time I checked.
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In my opinion the current subtree format is getting outdated. Some new nations would really mess up the game. Since I don’t think they would add “Regional Subtrees”, I came up with a sketch.
Indian Su-30MKI, Rafale, Mirage 2000, MiG-29… all that in the British tech tree is actually insane.
Ukrainian F-16s, M2000s and MAYBE Gripens in the future…? That in the USSR tech tree is actually insane
Where would South Korea go? South American countries, Eastern European countries etc etc etc, where would all that go?
There are so many unique modifications or domestic projects that simply wouldn’t fit in the current subtree format. While talking about this with some friends a while ago I came up with a sketch. I used Ukraine as an easy example mainly to show how it would work.
Instead of being entirely separate nations or having a branch in an existing nation and calling it a “subtree”, add them as a TRUE subtree, a tab you click and get to start your research. Depending on what the earliest vehicles we could get from the subtree, I guess we could have a system similar to helicopters, where we have to play until a certain rank to unlock it.
I guess that would be Rank VI for Ukraine…? So play USSR up to rank V-VI and unlock the new subtree. There we can have some different modifications/versions of vehicles, some could be copypaste, but in Ukraine’s case it would be extremely fun to have Su-25s armed with Hammers or Flankers shooting HARMs etc etc.
TLDR I guess… Some new nations wouldn’t fit as standalone tech trees as they’re not big enough, some currently use or used a great variety of vehicles from different countries, so we can’t have something like F-16s in the USSR or Su-30s in GB… Solution? Add TRUE subtrees, not just one line of research in a tech tree and call it a day.
NIMDA and such exports for Israel should go in Israel. As an example, Chile and much of India’s modern equipment.
People seem to have issues with India going to Israel at higher tiers despite the two being firmly locked together in this day and age. Britain does not need that many subtrees at high tier. Especially ones that do not make sense passed Indian Independence.
W-what?
What we have to do with France?
Not that much beyond Czechoslovakia being a member of the western Allies and making more sense than the UK or the USA. The devs seem to add all of the Czechoslovak, Slovak, and Czech vehicles to the USSR however
Luckily smin cofirmed its not official subtree.
Eh. Of course id like to see independent czech tree but lets be realsitic, thats not happening for several reasons. So the enxt best thing, I could see Czechoslovakia being added together with poland. If thats not possible, i dont want to see czechoslovakia being added at all.
how does that even make sense when Hungary is in the game ?
Or A-H should be separated, and Hungarian-built bluewater, coastal vessels and submarines should go to the Hungarian subtree while Austrians go to Germany, that literally does not need any of it ?
The Austro-Hungarian navy and river monitors should be in the Hungarian subtree. This solution makes the most sense instead of senslessly dividing its content between nations or outright denying the Hungarian subtree its vessels, giving it all to Germany.
The US
Wherever possible I’d realistically prefer they do a “Pan european” style tree where vehicles that are somewhat unique (not 1:1 copypasta with a name change and new coat of paint) and fit together thematically (minimal mixing of WP and NATO vehicles in the same lineup) from multiple nations are grouped together.
Something like Czechia, Poland, etc get to stick together and have a lineup of their more interesting tech, and India gets their own area shared with some SEA nations to pad out things they can’t provide.
Under no circumstances should the USA, USSR or UK get a subtree/second subtree. The USA and USSR have more than enough stuff to fill a tree multiple times over. Subtrees for them are unnecessary.
The UK does not need to become “The best top BR aircraft from everyone” tree that makes grinding USSR/France/USA and etc unnecessary. That is both a very poor idea in terms of balance, fairness and most importantly monetization.
Seriously, imagine getting access to every top BR aircraft with a one-time investment into a single high BR premium in one tree. That’s a terrible idea. Gaijin would be intentionally shooting themselves in the foot with that.
But Austria-Hungary was aligned with Germany at the time and Austro-Hungarian vehicles that already exist are in the German tree, while Italy was on the side of the Entente. And Polish content is divided between at least two different nations. Are Austrian and Hungarian vehicles from that era really that extricable?
That would be important only if one of the Dual Monarchy wouldn’t be a subnation in-game.
Which ones?
I don’t see how this is relevant, as the Hungarian subtree would be the home of these vessels. Not to mention, some of the ships were awarded to Italy post war.
Well there is no Polish subtree is there? And only the Polish used western equipment is divided between other nations.
At least the Hungarian-built vessels have to be in the Hungarian subtree. I mean for Christ’s sake, if something is built in Hungarian shipyards, it should be Hungarian in-game. And what about vessels that were joint effort? Like the Ersatz would have been?
I don’t see why Germany would need these vessels, when one half of the Monarchy is already in game as a sub nation .
seems like it will work like this?
It would be healthier to put them in Japan, though that’s a very strained situation.
Not much more than current pairings, though.
The BTR-82 is crap. It’s not even worth considering with such horrible performance and capabilities (playing it is even worse). It would have somewhat better performance around 8.0, where MBTs are light lateral, but not at 7.3, where can’t penetrate a Tiger 2 sideways at close range.
Wdym? SK would integrate very well with the US tt
Very good and rich history too, US is SK’s day one and to my knowledge SK has been and is an excellent ally
Japan and South Korea have non to barely any military connection, asking South Korea to be there is simple asking for freebies.
Japan has alternative options which they actually have connection with because they sold arms to them.
The US is logical location but is in no need for a subtree and South Korea offers too much vehicle to just throw it away as a sub.
Not really. The US is not hurting for additions like Japan is. Luckily, Japan has Thailand, but not much else.
