that was not my point morvan, i will say it again for the sake of this convo.
su30mki is unique, and i agree that you dont want c&p and i am not against it. but when it will be added to russian, i hope i dont see a reaction from a certains mains asking why they didnt get it.
yet it again, was not my point.
f35 doesnt have a 20 spice bomb loadout along side ramjet sead missile.
no its not. you said it yourself.
doesnt need it.
just unshackle brimstone from mode 1 SAL only and the F-35 will never be used for cas either way
moving the goal post. typical.
i said it because someone here think the 13.3 ( 13.7 ) su30 are the same as 14.3 su30.
dont try to switch it back at someone, accept it and deal with it.
you know nothing and were wrong the whole time.
Im not moving the goalpost.
an SU30 is an SU30, that makes it not unique.
YOU outright said the MKI is just the SM, if its just a MKK or SM doesnt change it being a reskin copy paste.
I said that a SU30 is a SU30, because thats all it is. another SU30 to be an additional problem for the health of the game
The point is,
If we are going to get something from SAAF, then at least make it a Cheatah and not a Mirage F1.
If we are going to get something from India, then at least make it a Tejas and not an Su-30
If we are going to get something from Canada, then make it an Avro Arrow and not CF-104
etc etc etc
You can at least add something interesting than a straight C&P
and at the end of the day, the priority should always be to add things from the main tree first and foremost, and only use sub-TTs when there is a gap the main tree cannot fill.
Most of the SAAF ground vehicles could be easily replaced by native British stuff that has yet to be added without much issue.
and Scimitar isnt wrong that htey will probably add an Indian Su-30 as a direct equal to the 2 existing Su-30 Premiums to give Britain its first ARH Premium and so it will have R-73 and R-77s and not the ASRAAM, etc that would actually make it unique
would you say the aesa and M scan eft are the same ?
because thats what your saying, even if i already told you your were wrong
which i didnt mention about it being needed to placed in the first place of thing to added.
but then again, was not my point that i am trying to make someone understand here.
They basically are at the moment with 100% identical loadouts and none of the other P4E upgrades and virtually the same BR
There is no reason to ever take the M-Scan instead of the E-Scan because of how similar they are bar the dramatically better radar.
If the E-Scan gets ASRAAM and Meteor and moves to a much much higher BR relatively speaking, then the M-Scan will play differently and fight different things and thus be worthwhile to play as an alternative.
A different radar is hardly a big deal, its the same model (other than for the germans where AESA gets PIRATE) with a slight attribute change. 99% of it is quite literally a file C&P.
Its more unique than the F/A-18C early becoming the CF-188 sure but it was not worth the addition unless the ECRS typhoon had been added with ASRAAM and Meteor so that top tier could advance to newer weapons. It did not advance the weapons in game
which is not the case.
to make it simple for him:
su30mki is not a su30 because you need to have at least minimum information to be able to judge and place a vote on it. the same case if someone says tornado are op and must be nerfed, for him its just making stupid claim and be baised while you who knows better at it will and correct him.
which in this case, the path and enter of the information is completly blocked.
Here’s what’s different from MKI Derivatives to MKK Derivatives:
Radar
Engines (MKIs have TVC)
Canards
Cockpit
Reinforced airframe
Different Wings and Rudders
Different loadout options
Different Drag Profile
Different Flight Model
About 1 ton increase in weight (MKI is heavier than MKK)
HUD
FCS System
Saying they’re both Su-30s is correct, but these are in no way the same plane.
very good spaa. britain players should be grateful for having it
no its a big deal when your complain all the time about r77-1 being russian bais and op and still saying and the 13.3 and 14.3 are the same plane.
one is a worse m scan radar with 6 fox 3.
other is a 12 fox 3 and a pesa radar
complety different.
Would take Stormer HVM with LMM over it every single time
So the same as the Su-30SM2 then?
Like the Su-30SM/SM2?
Has 0 impact for 99% of players.
Will have no impact in-game.
If modeled differently. Could come with R-73s and R-77-1s for a specific BR that Gaijin wants it at. Probably a KH-38MT slinger so they can point to it instead of adding Brimstones and Spear-3s.
So it will have a slightly different FM? So no different to the J-11 to Su-27 for example
Same as Cockpit
Will have no impact in-game.
At the end of the day, it sounds like an Su-30SM2 C&P with a different cockpit and probably a lot weaker radar.
Morvran.
I was comparing the MKK to the MKI.
The SM2 is an MKI derivative, so of course it’ll be more like an MKI.
Right, so… Su-30 MKI is a C&P of the SU-30SM2.
Though I think the point Scimitar was making was more that it could just end up as a 13.3 premium more than anything else
damn good SPAA yes. but we already had two stormers at the BR which match the british trees vibes.
its the best SPAA for britain there but it was obsolete from the getgo.