Phantoms and just aircraft i the high tier in general are starting to lack cause of all these new aircraft being added and the old is still being nerfed by not getting the missile they could carry in real life
Like the Phantoms F-4S that could carry Aim-7M and even Aim-9L
but still getting a match with only F-18 F-16 and Su-33 and mig-29 is just waste of time really
Edit or give me some DF Sparrows
As previously stated
yea those lazy mod forced it to be moved
but why would it go up in BR?? its already fighting things that has the 9L and 7M?
would only make the field more even if it gets those missiles
With the exception of the Tornado ADV. Which comes with its own mitigating weaknesses. Those things are all at a higher BR. Look at the Kurnass 2000 or F-4EJ Kai.
Now imagine fighting an F-4S with Aim-9L and Aim-7M in an 11.0?
What needs to happen is for things like the F-18s, F-15s, Su-27, etc etc to increase in BR
Now imagine fighting an F-4S with Aim-9L and Aim-7M in an 11.0?
same as it is now, 9L only gives head on lock but that can easily be broken by 1-2 flares
and everyone has flares at that BR
7M would mostly give it better proxy from what i read
but people just fly low as anything other time and no hard like always
at 11.0 if you fly high you will be hunted by any radar missile user
There is no ingame difference between 7F and 7M as far as i know.
F-4J/S get access to what is probably the second best SARH NATO can get (SuperTEMP is probably around the same), with only 7P being better due to IOG+DL.
It can carry up to 6x of those. Only other NATO jet that can carry 6x SARHs is the F-18C early.
Its also the lowest BR plane that gets access to such good radar missiles, beside Tornado ADV, which has much worse flight performance and can carry only 4x SuperTEMPs and doesnt have HMS (and while Its my personal opinion that it doesnt do much for F-4J/S kit, is still an advantage).
There might be discussion whenever Tornado ADV isnt technically better for the missile bus role due to better radar and more CMs, but thats not point of this post.
With exception of Tornado ADV, no other “missile bus” has both all-aspects and good radar missiles in such count at BR of 12.0.
Only thing that gets 7Ms and 9Ls is the F/A-18A, which sits at higher BR and theres currently discusion ongoing whenever it should go higher (which probably should, with some tweaks).
no, it would make F-4J/S go to 12.3, where rest of its kit would start to be lacking.
lmao, F-4J/S is THE plane to take to high alt. only thing that can threaten it at its BR in BVR is Tornado ADV, and that assumes Tornado will do everything in its power to avoid merge.
They have identical fuzes.
why would it be moved to 12.3 there are plane with R-24T and R-24R under the Br of 12.0
lmao, F-4J/S is THE plane to take to high alt. only thing that can threaten it at its BR in BVR is Tornado ADV, and that assumes Tornado will do everything in its power to avoid merge.
talk like you have never fought a MIG before, you cant dodge their missile with flare or chaff or notching
but you talk like 7F is the best of the best yet i have countless of times had the missile lock but kept a straight line past the enemy and not following it at all
even i replays it has the lock but refuse to turn towards
and if 7F and 7M has the same proxy then its the snail that is wrong
7M should be a better missile
but all this is only if the snail dont move the other new plane up BR
R-24T has IR seeker and as such entirely different case use - and its definetively not BVR.
And MiG-23 can carry only 2x R-24Rs as oposed to F-4J/S 6x.
MiG-23s radar isnt PD radar, its MTI, meaning it only gets look-down shoot down capability when its looking against ground. Against clear sky, ie. high alt combat, it only gets normal radar which can be chaffed.
What probably kills you in those scenarios is R-24Rs IOG, which is defeated by simply changing direction once the lock is broken.
im only saying its the second best SARH NATO planes can get.
not missile nor plane issue, game engine issue. 7F/Ms are infamous in this regard. most of the radars in game are bugged in one way or another, MLAs radar couldnt even get lock with ACM last time i played it.
feel free to bug report it then.
It is an argument we’ve tried for years with the British phantoms that only have 4x 9Gs and 4x Aim-7E-2 (equivalents) at the same BR. But has largely been dismissed.
HAH doing a bug report rather try winning lotto
they want leaked info if you want them to do anything and that is not even sure they do
bunch of snops
but it seems we can agree that they need to move the never planes higher in BR at least
and that the 7F is bugged as F-
that was most the reason i wanted the 7M to fix the flying straight missile
one reason why i hate trying to make suggestion and such
they dont care or want you to make a 10 page document explaining that 1 feature you would like to see lol
tried making a suggestion about custom kill/ reward text to either move or make it smaller cause it was blocking my aim when i used the A-10
but it was closed cuase i did not write enough lol
had text with pic that showed and even video that showed how it blocked
F- em
the 7M isnt an upgrade as it the exact same as the 7F ingame, only the 9L would be an upgrade
Ima be honest, the only Phantom that won’t go up with Aim-9Ls is the FGR.2.
The FGR.1 never carried them so it should go down in BR actually back to where it was at 11.7.
Yep, but that argument has never worked. The aim now is Skyflash STs to roughly match the Aim-7Fs the US phantoms have
Weren’t the Skyflash ST only ever used on the Tornados? Or am I tripping?
I would much rather put the FGR.1 down in BR. There is no reason on this earth that those Aim-9Gs should ever face 13.0 aircraft.
oh that’s sick
I get more kills with the AIM-9Gs than the SkyTrash ngl XD
Yeah, that would be best as we have 2x identical airframes
yeah for real, currently flying the kurnass, insane jet but holy god the radar is schizophrenic sometimes…
(also unrelated but I just found out the J7D can fire a PL5B at a phantom front aspect lol)
