Really disappointed with the increased durability too. Like a small buff would have been fine, now it’s barely effective.
No, it’s not. “Winning” for an MBT against a light would be taking them out, so it should be the same for the light against the MBT. Surviving is just neutral.
Not when surviving means you can passively mark people for your entire team. An MBT needs to either be killing people or capping points to have impact in a game, a light tank can just provide information for the rest of the team.
If you haven’t used it already, and it will only lead to anything positive if your teammates are close enough to do anything (or if they bother to do anything).
Relegating a whole class of vehicles to basically nothing is just crazy.
It isnt a one time thing, and because of how it works you can scout people through hills and buildings which means your area of effect is much greater than any gun tank. Yes you are relying on teammates to kill the people you mark, but you are always relying on teammates in this game, and I have found that people are pretty decent at shooting at the people with massive marks above their heads.
I am not doing this at all, tanks that can push and take positions and caps are always needed on a team, but they have to be actively doing something to have impact. We all see people in MBT’s sat in camping spots on the edge of the map with one kill all game and know that they are having no impact on the game at all.
The scouting has a larger range, yeah, assuming that the game actually acknowledges the player was there (it’s surprisingly inconsistent). But the range is just scouting, not actually shooting someone.
You aren’t always relying on teammates - if anything you shouldn’t rely on them (i.e. not let yourself get into situations where you need to rely on teammates). A light tank shouldn’t be at the mercy of their teammates when every other class of vehicle can function (i.e. take out other tanks) perfectly fine on their own.
Any type of tank can do that, but what impact can essentially a non-combat vehicle do (which is what a light tank that can’t kill tanks is)?
You are, you can’t ever hold the entire map and every angle by yourself. It is one of the main reasons squadding up gives vastly higher winrates and generally makes it easier to play.
SPAA’s generally cant hold on their own, and in many cases Mediums can’t hold against Heavies. Light tanks not being able to hold against heavier tanks is just the same.
Provide real time positions of enemies, using either the scout mechanic or the scout drone at higher BR’s, which as I have said several times, is an incredibly powerful mechanic that will effect how fights play out.
There’s a difference between relying on teammates to win a match and relying on teammates in order to not be destroyed every time you see an enemy.
SPAAs can break barrels at least (which allows them to at least survive engagements, just like a lot of light tanks have to rely on barrel breaks), and I doubt there’s a single medium that can’t take out a heavy that is at its own BR.
None of that has to do with tank-on-tank engagements. Should light tanks just be relegated to the scout button? That’s terribly boring game design.
This is completely pointless now. You are just saying things that dont relate to the point im making at all.
which often doesnt matter because they can be machine gunned
How many 4.0 mediums can kill a Kv-1B or E frontally
Yoou are just completely ignoring what I said in the first place. its not about relegating them to scouting, is about not having them as jack of all trades vehicles that can do literally everything all other types of tanks can.
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I mean true, but the SPAA can at least do something.
The Turan III, and if you include hitting some pretty small weakspots the 4.0 T-34s and Shermans.
Except you literally only mention scouting:
Track it, and get around the side. Which is kinda the whole point i’m making
There are a couple, the Pz4’s can also although it is a bit finnicky, but the shermans and T34’s cannot in any real game scenario where ping is involved. The most they can do is take the breech.
This is why this is just pointless now, i’ve mentioned scouting because its something additional that light tanks can do that no others can, they are still able to kill things from the side, they are better at shooting down planes than most things other than Spaa, they have the mobility to run about and take positions or caps faster than other vehicles, and often have the no armour best armour to survive a hit or two where lots of other tanks can’t. Allowing them to also completely neutralise every tank they can see frontally as well as everything else they can do is why light tanks are meta at most Br’s, and you will always want to include at lest one or two in every lineup you run.
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The SPAA would be running at that point, though, just like most light tanks that can be penned by MGs.
Allowing them to have any way of surviving a non-90-degree engagement with an enemy is why barrel breaking should remain the way it is. It’s not like all light tanks are autocannons nor do (the vast majority of) autocannons take out barrels very quickly.
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IMO it’s fair. They took hullbreak out, so naturally light tanks should not get the easy way of barrel torture. Why even play heavy tanks if light tanks can do everything a heavy tank can just better and faster with scouting and even survive as much, if not more punishment than a heavy tank?
If they introduce hull break back into the game, then we can talk about barrel breaking using autocannons again. BTW I have no problem with taking out barrels with 75mm+ guns. If anything, it feels more reliable to take out barrels with big guns.
Realistically, it would be more than difficult to break a cannon by shooting them from the front, but from the side it would be quite easy with any bullet with more than 50mm of penetration. The problem is that when you go with an automatic cannon you can’t break the cannon even with 10 bullets, but when you face a spaa with your tank, it breaks the cannon in a second.
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Had a puma take my mb2000 barrel out in one round yesterday.
I was absolutely dumbfounded
Spaa at 8.3 and up are more effective at killing tanks /mbts than their lower br counter parts.
Most spaa will absolutely demolish tanks hell even heavies bar thr IS4 and maus.
Light tanks while having access to scouting is not their main feature especially if youve got a 30 it 40mm auto cannon.
In the type 89 let of 34 rounds into a t72A barrel doing nothing, it went yellow. broke his turret ring n tracks. With an atgm hit the barrel and i still didnt break the barrel.
While specifically auto cannon tanks shouldnt be able to just one tap a barrel, it is absolutely ridiculously the damage barrels can take.
Hell even from main cannon rounds it rarely breaks the barrel.
That got a good laugh out of me lmao
Just come across this and… you’ve not played British have you?
I’ve yet to take out a barrel with any Brit 30mm rounds, and I never bother wasting an MBT shot on it but in some of the British line tanks the barrels/breaches are made of toffee so you end up sitting there just having to take a beating because the slightest tap knocks out the barrel (this is especially the case on the Conquer which not only a loading time that can be measured in ice ages but then gets one shotted from the GIGANTIC armour plate above the beach from any APHE rounds until you get the bolt-on armour package).
What?, britains the nation i got to top tier first and on top of that both the 8.7 lineup and 9.3 are my goto lineups for fun.
Ive got over 500 games in the cr2s alone.
Never mind the near 1000 games between the chieftains and its variants. EDIT : its actually over 1000 games so yeah. Ive played britain,
Have you played the british? Cause the super conq if you use it right is an absolute monster.
But yeah ive not played the British tree.
And by the way the whole point in my comment is about all tank barrels being absolutely paper mache to proper auto cannons, the rarden on thr warrior fires far too slow to do the necessary dps on the barrels.
The falcon but itll rip barrels off in a mere second or two
Regarding Falcons ripping off barrels… I’ve been trying that… (haven’t managed to grind to getting the APDS rounds yet but still sheer volume of APHE rounds spraying across the barrel, optics etc should do something but no, at least not against T55/T62’s , Leopards etc.) Not gone against enough British tanks to form an opinion yet but I’m on the hunt for a Conq to test it on as I’d swear the barrel on that is made of paper mâché with how easily it gets knocked out.