Gaijin couldn’t screw over British designs harder if they tried. Solid shot and APDS do no damage and so many things are overtired and blatantly inaccurate. The British Sherman is 3.7 when the same tank in the US tree is 3.3. tortoise is missing centimetres of armour. Scimitar and fox have been gimped beyond viability and HESH flat out does not function
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what solid shots we talking here
Fox ive not seen the changes, the scimitar was useless from the get go, based off the scorpion and which is the fastest tank in the world, yet its barely able to go 70kph in game xD
Know what is even more annoying btw, when hesh does work and you feel great, I got a kill with it hte other day and was over the moon, then since then “hit”
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Any damn wheeled light man, acts as if theyre layered in spaced reactice amrour -.-
Shot a rooikat with 105mm hesh from my type 74 and it done literally nothing.
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Turret traverse got halved. It’s not so slow you’re genuinely useless unless you’re sniping, which you’re useless at because you’re shooting IS3 tanks
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That sounds incredibly silly, wheres the report for that? i never seen it in the patch notes…
The bug report was complete guesswork. massive thanks to jarms for ruining the only super fun vehicle at any BR with a guesswork report
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RuPCHKHo71e6
he also did the same shoddy guesswork for the scimitar making it even more trash
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mzt5kgFMfvW6
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Wait theres genuinely no documentation to go with it, while I know we cant see submitted documents, usually when someone actually makes a bug report to change something, they need to provide sources??? they havent mentioned it at all.
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Also the turret rotation speed was literally what was its main advertisement when released
Ive read the manuals and literally own a brochure made to sell the scimitar tank to foreign armies and there is NO OFFICIAL FIGURE for the turret traverse speed in any of these documents ever.
his only source was that the fox (that entered British service) and scimitar use the same turret ring and hand powered traverse gear. the reports should have been thrown out for insufficient information to back his claim of actual speed.
anything to nerf a British vehicle even if it is through unfair means
Yeah ive just read about 4 different documents, with the search function, the word rotation showed up once and it was not about the turrets rotational speed.
secondly, with the word turret typed into the search function I just got guided to various mentions of a fast speed but no specific numbers.
(also the source stated in his bug report doesnt exist according to google, the fox user manual, isnt a thing.)
mate, my unspaded and stock turret traverse is barely 18 degrees persecond, whats the point in using the fox, or scim at all now. the scim already sucked, adn the fox had its turret traverse n mobility, now its just a mobile tank that cant aim anywhere xD
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I aced the fox within two days of it coming out and have it on a near max crew slot and the full traverse speed is still insufficient to take advantage of any situation.
What is its total maxed traverse speed?
Cause a nerf with no substantial evidence to back it up is wild to me.
it’s not definite numbers its literally his guesswork and they took it and nerfed the damn thing
Does that mean for the chieftains L15A5 i can do the same?
max turret traverse on fox is 30deg/s. chieftain mk10 is 22.5, on a turret heavier than the CVRT or CVRW platforms themselves. the fox and scimitars turret weight is more comparable to A13 mk2. the reserve tier tank that can whip its turret around at 36deg/s.
my own estimations would be more around the 40 degree per second mark so it is very annoying that it was nerfed so brutally.
gaijin set a standard so low by accepting this report that just saying “trust me bro” should be accepted
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Thats what I was going to say there, you have reserve tier , and low teir tanks which are less technologically advanced hitting far higher turret traverse rates. For example the M22 is nearly on par with the damn Fox now xD and its 2.3
Makes you wonder why so many of the other reports are rejected, its ridiculous man.
theres next to no substantial evidence here other than one mans calculations, on a book that I cant find, and books on the scimitar mention it being about the same as warrior, which spaded is over 50 degrees per second.
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the warrior aced does 60deg/s and the CVRT and CVRW are more aligned with that in their capabilities. blatantly unfair treatment
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Doesn’t the warrior share its turret traverse etc with the likes of scimitar, scropion and Fox?
or am i just tripping on that. I dont believe the CRVT and CVRW are gonna lose over 30 degrees turret rotation speed IRL due to a slight difference in the mechanicals of turret traverse.
British tanks always had good traverse on our lighter vehicles, heck even the comet and cromwell from WW2 which is manual and hydrolichs was up at 30 degrees, same as the challanger prototype on the cromwell hull,. 33 degrees roughly.
Why would a modern. light scout car and subsequently the light tank like scimitar have substantially worse turret traverse compared to a WW2 medium tank.
makes zero sense.
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the warriors turret is close enough to be a baseline. the one we have in game with the thermals and milal launcher make it significantly heavier than a scorpion or fox family vehicles turret too
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Ah… that’s Britain tax for you. It never does
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Its beyond a joke how they actively did this, the only good auto cannon light in britain xD
the warrior i like but damn its just a worse bradley or BMP at its BR.
The Scimitar was already poor at best.
Like how even the chieftains have been proved to all have incorrect engines? ammunitions and armour? xD
Or how the L15A5 which could penetrate the UFP of a T64 at over 2000 meters is identical to the L15A3 which as far as i can see from the Chieftain book i got was a far softer round and had less penetrational characteristics
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I think im going to put in a counter report saying there is ZERO mention of actual turret speed and that it should be normalised based on its closest peer. Warrior.
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