max turret traverse on fox is 30deg/s. chieftain mk10 is 22.5, on a turret heavier than the CVRT or CVRW platforms themselves. the fox and scimitars turret weight is more comparable to A13 mk2. the reserve tier tank that can whip its turret around at 36deg/s.
my own estimations would be more around the 40 degree per second mark so it is very annoying that it was nerfed so brutally.
gaijin set a standard so low by accepting this report that just saying “trust me bro” should be accepted
Thats what I was going to say there, you have reserve tier , and low teir tanks which are less technologically advanced hitting far higher turret traverse rates. For example the M22 is nearly on par with the damn Fox now xD and its 2.3
Makes you wonder why so many of the other reports are rejected, its ridiculous man.
theres next to no substantial evidence here other than one mans calculations, on a book that I cant find, and books on the scimitar mention it being about the same as warrior, which spaded is over 50 degrees per second.
the warrior aced does 60deg/s and the CVRT and CVRW are more aligned with that in their capabilities. blatantly unfair treatment
Doesn’t the warrior share its turret traverse etc with the likes of scimitar, scropion and Fox?
or am i just tripping on that. I dont believe the CRVT and CVRW are gonna lose over 30 degrees turret rotation speed IRL due to a slight difference in the mechanicals of turret traverse.
British tanks always had good traverse on our lighter vehicles, heck even the comet and cromwell from WW2 which is manual and hydrolichs was up at 30 degrees, same as the challanger prototype on the cromwell hull,. 33 degrees roughly.
Why would a modern. light scout car and subsequently the light tank like scimitar have substantially worse turret traverse compared to a WW2 medium tank.
makes zero sense.
the warriors turret is close enough to be a baseline. the one we have in game with the thermals and milal launcher make it significantly heavier than a scorpion or fox family vehicles turret too
Ah… that’s Britain tax for you. It never does
Its beyond a joke how they actively did this, the only good auto cannon light in britain xD
the warrior i like but damn its just a worse bradley or BMP at its BR.
The Scimitar was already poor at best.
Like how even the chieftains have been proved to all have incorrect engines? ammunitions and armour? xD
Or how the L15A5 which could penetrate the UFP of a T64 at over 2000 meters is identical to the L15A3 which as far as i can see from the Chieftain book i got was a far softer round and had less penetrational characteristics
I think im going to put in a counter report saying there is ZERO mention of actual turret speed and that it should be normalised based on its closest peer. Warrior.
hmm i think scorpion has something about its turret traverse btw
do send it my way if you find it. Scorpion information is usable for scimitar as they are identical other than gun in their initial configurations. same for sabre as its a scorpion with fox turret
Ah right well that bins that then doesnt it
did you find it?
Its not usuable its about the scorpions systems. no definitive turret traverse rates so.
Think going by warrior is a better solution, seeing as 1. warrior is in game and 2, has more data for it.
the only difference between scimitar and scorpion is the gun, everything else is identical between the vehicles so does still have merit to getting the vehicle correct
Suppose I can try that mate, I was meaning in relation to the fox.
Which suppose makes no sense why did jarms use the scimitar report, which does actually have sources, while non actively cite a definite number, to nerf the fox?
It makes no sense.
Two of said sources, I’ve read on my PC in scotland and they do not mention turret traverse speed.
They mention that over the years it went from manual to an upgraded faster FCS.
Soooo
the reports are junk IMO
Just Gaijin
I have no clue. he’s also responsible for the report that gave the 3.7 ram 800hp, by using a document which got figures blatantly wrong (as if it wasn’t obvious it was wrong)
I believe this was either for scimitar 2 or its LEP upgrade significantly after the model we have in game existed
Yes however the sources do mention that before it moved onto the full upgrade program, they were trialing the standard Scim with an improved FCS for both turret traverse and target acquisition
I musta missed that one…
That’s nothing new…Gaijin can make changes for whatever reason.
I like the Falcon to go back to 7.7 it fills the gap perfectly and back when it got moved up there was a high use of apds and dodgy heat mechanics when most the tanks were empty and because lack of spalling on apds that increase its br