Seriously, they’ve only added like two new vehicles since the tree was added back in 2022. It’s not like there’s a shortage of things to add, the HVSD ADAMS would make for a viable top tier AA, they could add the Sabrah for a high tier light tank (desperately needed), and various M113s and Namer variants with autocannons and spikes for TDs and IFVs. Also, would be good to see the LAHAT missile for the Merkavas and certain helis that carried it, as well as spikes for the Israeli Apaches. Point being, it’s pretty disappointing to see them add ANOTHER premium Merkava for a tree that has literally nothing to grind.
Its because they made a mistake by adding it as an independant tt and now about 10 people actually play it. Plenty of cool vehicles, but little to no interest from the playerbase so no monetary incentive to really add to it, I assume they are hoping it will work as a loss leader. Oh well, should have been a subtree
I mean, the amount of content they add is what drives interest. The more they add, the more people would want to play it.
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Yeah, and they added a whole tree, with air and helicopters, and still noone plays it
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eh, not really. Japan has every tank they’ve ever serially produced.
they still missing like 5 possible light tanks 3 possible MBT’s and 1 SPAA, we have been asking mostly for a new light tank to go after the type 89 or after the type 16
wdym? The only MBTs of Japan were the type 74, type 90, and type 10.
other 3 versions of the Type 10 are possible 1 being the 48 ton variant in wich we have enough info to make a suggestion about it other being a copy paste of the Type 10 with minor additions on top(Type 10 C5) and the other one being the Type 10 with an aps made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
More people would actively play Israel if it weren’t impossible for anyone who isn’t an expert at the game due to Gaijin’s horrible lineup issues in the Tech Tree.
If they added more wacky vehicles Israel manufactured and fixed the ignored bug reports they’ve acknowledged for months to years, there’d be a lot more people willing to grind it.
You are correct that the lack of full lineups is an issue, but you dont need to be an expert at the game to play without a lineup, it just isnt very fun. If they added more wacky vehicles Israel made you would have what we have now + a load of useless gimmick vehicles, they would still truggle for light tanks, SPAA and good cas options. I dont know where this idea comes from that people dont play trees because the vehicles in it have bugs or inaccuracies, the only people who care about that are nationalists who will play the tree regardless, it doesnt stop your average player playing the tree because they dont even know what the inaccuracies are or that they exist. The fact is that most people will never play more than one or two trees, and when israel has a tree made up mostly of Patton variants, poor cas options, is lacking proper lineups, lacks SPAA in most parts, has no rank 1-3 and is generally a lot of copy paste from other trees with minor changes, there is simply no reason to play it over any other nation. there is really nothing gaijin can do to change that other than give it a couple of subtrees to really flesh it out with a good range of vehicles and an actual rank 1-3, or just give up on it as a tree and merge it into an existing one. Or you know, do what they should have done in the first place, and just add it as a subtree not as an independant nation. We can only hope they have learned their lesson and we dont get a united korean TT or something else silly next.
A Casual Player won’t play something that isn’t fun.
They have plenty of good vehicles and plenty of fun vehicles that can be added. The Tech Tree could easily double.
Russia and Sweden are two of the most popular trees specifically because of how well they get treated. A casual player won’t bother with most lines because they don’t get any additions and often have the dumbest balance choices.
This is not because they don’t want to. This is because it takes too damn long to grind even one tech tree. Even with premium, it can take several thousand hours.
That’s Gaijin’s fault.
Israel has some of the best mid-high range CAS. They have the best CAS F-16 in the entire game and they have many A-4 variants to choose from.
Gaijin’s Fault.
Gaijin’s Fault
Doesn’t need it.
There is very little Copy and Paste in the Israeli Ground Tech tree. Almost every single tank in that tech tree plays different from the standard version of those vehicles in other tech trees. Getting ERA at an extremely low battle rating isn’t a minor change. They have more than enough differences to modify how the vehicle plays. An American M60 isn’t going to play 100 percent identically to an Israeli M60. Israel’s unique gimmick that puts it apart from other trees is the fact that it takes the amazing Cold War Main Battle Tanks and just modifies the hell out of them in wacky and fun ways. That is what makes Israel unique.
Your opinion.
Personally, I find Israel to be one of the more attractive nations from 6.0 to 11.7. It has issues, but that’s only Gaijin’s fault. These could easily be fixed if they put effort into smaller tech trees.
This is false.
If you’re not here to participate in fixing this tech tree, why be here at all? You’re not doing anything other than spouting nonsense and being a brick wall to progress for Israel players.
No. That logic is so braindead. Should Italy be a Subtree of Germany simply because Gaijin neglects it? No. Italy is just as Content Dead as Israel is and it has every right to be its own tree. Israel can double in size and easily be a vastly more fun tech tree if they simply stop giving all content to Russia and Sweden. It’s seriously becoming a problem.
If you’re not going to participate in the discussion and actively be an obstacle to advocating for better Minor Tech Tree treatment, leave this discussion.
We are in agreement about this.
People always say this about nations, and yet when i go to the suggestions tab in the forums to have a look, the bulk of it is this -
Half track variants, more shermans and more merkava’s, and the Sabra’s are a bit below. This doesnt solve any of the actual issues with the tree, so as far as i can see, no, they do not have plenty of good vehicles that can be added. There are a few, and i would love to see those few come to the game, but none of these vehicles solve the issues in the tree.
Russia is one of the most popular tree’s because it is a major nation. America and germany are 2 of the other 3 most played trees and yet people complain all day and night about innacuracies in their vehicles. Sweden has a decent top teir, and thats all you ever hear people talk about, not once do i ever hear people talking about the actual unique vehicles in the swedish TT, the strv103’s, any of the low teir stuff and so on, and that is because talk on the forums in inherently biased towards a certain type of player. For all the talk about it, i doubt half of those people have ever played it.
Unfortunately this entirely depends on the skill of the player. There are videos of people researching entire trees in a single week or less online. So there is nothing to say to this other than: get better at the game
They do have some great cas, at 8.7 upwards. Any lower, and you are stuck with fighters basically.
Every nation needs a rank 1-3. This is because of crew points. When you jump into a rank 4 BR6.0 vehicle with fresh crews, you are at a massive disadvantage to everyone else in the match who has played through a tree and levelled up their crews while doing so. You are put at a massive disadvantage from the get go, and if you are just playing vehicles as you grind them out, you will never catch up.
Unique vehicles: 3 in rank 4, 1 in rank 5, 5 in rank 6, 2 in rank 7 and rank 8 is 3 merkavas. The Pattons in the tree are mostly copy paste, the magach 1 and 2 are full copy paste, the magach 3 is an M48 hill with the L7 and the M60 engine, which you should recognise as the same capabilites as the M48G from the german tree, the Magach 6 is just a straight M60, the Magach 6R is an AOS with some ERA on it, the 6B is a Rise, the Hydra is an AOS with Hydra pods. the 6M and 6C are basically just TTS’s, with the same Gen1 thermals and ERA, just slightly different ammunition choices. The Gal batash and 7C at leat have some unique armour, so ill not class them as copy paste. Looking at all that, you have 14 unique vehicles in a TT of 39, and 7 of those unique vehicles are Merkava’s. If we start on israeli air, there are maybe 2 actual unique vehicles produced used by Israel, a couple of variants of vehicles that havent made it into the nations that produced and used them, and the rest is all copy paste. Looking at it all objectively, it is undeniable that israel is majorly copy paste. For me personally i do not think this is a bad thing, but for a new player, why would they bother playing it when that is the first look they get at it.
The best way to “Fix” this tech tree is for it not to be independant. It really is that simple. People want their flag on a nation in game, i get it, but people simply arent playing it, and you can blame gaijin for that all you like, but even with the most fleshed out minor nation in game, the UK TT, its playercount is tiny compared to the major nations. The examples and evidence is here already, you just need to stop ignoring it.
No, it isnt. They got a massive subtree over the past 2 updates, I guess you didnt notice that?
Where are you getting this idea from? Russia gets a lot because it is a major nation, same as Germany and America, sweden gets about as much as the other minor nations. For example, just this update they are getting a top teir plane like everyone else, and are getting 1 Premium IFV and a little car with a 20mm. Italy is getting a boat, a new top teir tank and a new premium plane. So they are getting the same. Dont forget france is getting a whole subtree too…
I absolutely want better minor nation treatment. That means, for nations that do not have the vehicles for their own tree, which is basically all that have not been added at this point, them being added as subtrees, so that they have actual lineups, and so that people will actually get to play them.
I think Israel should have it’s own tree, and it’s definitely not lacking in ideas.
- Israel ground forces full potential
(scroll to see the actual TT)
I think the best way to fix the Israeli tech tree is a few steps:
- Add either a major update focusing on the TT, or many successive updates where vehicles are added.
- If they add a low tier like the one in the full potential example, don’t BR lock it from players. This in my opinion is the biggest reason why people don’t play Israel; it is inherently a second hand nation in game. Basically, remove the BR lock so people can play it from the get-go.
- Popularize it with youtubers. Obviously they’ll check it out from the new content, but if you encourage them to, all the better. If some of the vehicles in the TT (premium and free) are cracked, word will spread, like Israel getting the Sholef (a vidar but better), TAM2IP, and Pereh. I think not many people do Britain because of how lackluster it feels. You have gems like the FV4005, but mostly it’s just vickers, challengers, and centurions. Balanced vehicles. Add a cracked premium or vehicle that gets Israel on the map? People would definitely start playing it.
Not trying to say Gaijin should add unbalanced vehicles and more dumb premiums to the game, but momentarily in a dying tech tree to bring players black, and then up the BR or nerf it later.
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People will play Israel more often if Gaijin didn’t made the TT just “Oops all Magachs” which is unfortunately the case for the longest time
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