Realistically 1a3 sits at 8.3 and same with 1a4 unless they give it something special like better ammo then 8.7
neither does germany. Will still be a cool addition
besides this variant is more notable for Australia than Germany being their replacement for centurion until the Abrams, not some random footnote variant amongst several
Could see it easily be 9.3. its fast, stabilised and would have a decent dart
Insanely wrong but whatever.
Please go look at German rank 5 and it’s win rates then come back and say they don’t need it.
Unless they give it a fake Lazer range finder dm33 no. It’s just not.
Absolutely needed.
Germany:
- Leopard 1A3
- Leopard 1A4
Britain (Australia):
- Leopard AS1 (early)
- Leopard AS1 (late)
(could also maybe get a Canadian C1)
Sweden (Denmark):
- Leopard 1DK
- Leopard 1A5DK / DK-1
Israel (Greece):
- Leopard 1A3GR
Also options for wherever Turkey (Leopard 1A3T1, Leopard 1A3T1 Volkan) ends up
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Missing a french (dutch) leopard 1V
Still just in most cases it’s just not needed like in Britain who already have like 8 8.3-8.7s lmao
Thats german main issue not vehicle issue.
sure a few vehicles have a bit of a struggle but theres a very noticable pattern. German tanks are doing far better away from that nation.
the only thing germany is suffering from is its players.
fair enough. solid 9.0 then going off of what we see at 8.7 with dm23
Okay 2 good tanks (ish both not stabilized) and just light tanks. Surely that’s enough for the rank 🤷♀️
Leopard 1Vs are upgraded 1A1s, not 1A3/1A4s
Still too high lmao. Your acting like it’s a huge improvement then like a 1a2 or tbh a regular leopard 1 what it’s not. It’s a 8.3 maybe a 8.7 at highest but would be very unlikely.
its a massive upgrade over chieftains or T62.
The AS1 does have a LRF and was upgraded to 1A5 equivalent to include thermals and such. Idk about ammunition used [for the AS1] but assuming a DM33 counterpart it [the AS1] could be 9.3.
The German 1A3 meanwhile is solidly 8.3 with DM13 and no LRF, while the 1A4 would be 8.7 with DM23.
Oops meant to reply to the message about LRF and DM33, whatever you’ll still see it
I’ll also link this for anyone interested in learning more about the 1A3 or who want to support its addition to the game :)
Because chieftains are fat but heavily armoured the leopard 1a3 is poorly armored but fast. T62 is kinda just in-between with decent armour,speed and a very good gun
Great thing I wasn’t talking of them. Just 1a3 in general.
Doesn’t matter to gajin tbh. But yea some nations did upgrade there 1a3s later on in the late 80s-90s for the danish at least to 1a5 spec and the bundeswehr did even test it but they were rare upgrades and not the standard
Here’s a photo of a German 1a3 with emes 18
And some of those the german variant is actually better like the kpz 70
M48 there is better/worse mainly worse imo due to the br
i meant the 7.7 one, but nvm since i forgot that it was actually heavier than the us/cn m48, i just remembered the slightly better engine, still the kpz is better than the mbt70, the 1.5s does makes a huge difference
OF-40 Mk.2 and MTCA exist at 9.0/9.3 and are just much better due to having;
Significantly better Gun handling (40°/s Horiz & 20°/s Vert vs 24°/s Horiz & 7°/s Vert)
LRF compared vs sole stereoscopic rangefinder
.50 cal HMG vs 7.62mm
Comparable Mobility (18.7hp/t vs 19.5hp/t)
Better Mobility (MCTA); 22.6hp/t vs 19.5hp/t
Leopard 1 A3 and 1 A4 are absolutely not 9.3 material, questionable if even 9.0 given OF-40 MK.2As are just straight up better.
Okay wow, thats one way of showing you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about in regards to these.
FLER-H, EMES 12 (TEM-4A) / EMES 12 A1 and PERI R 12 alone have more historical and technological significance than any export versions of it ever could.