do you think adding AAM5 and AAM4B will push F2 and F15JM to the new top tier if they only change what missile they carry? Or do you think they will face the current top tier of aesa typhoons and the likes?
Considering basically everything else will be getting new stuff, probably not.
Especially if stuff like the PL-15 / Aim-120D come before/with the -4B, as those are still better than it.
The worst should be R-74m but thats gonna be the best one because this isnt war thunder anymore its just russia thunder
Either 9X or ASRAAM will probably be the worst in game, they use the same seeker head so it depends on which one gaijijn decides to screw over harder, minor nation abuse or propaganda kneecapping
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No they don’t? The IRIS-T and ASRAAM both have very similar starring arrays, the but 9X uses a different design, even if it has the same max resolution.
Also it doesn’t really matter, cause all IIR in games have been modeled the same so far.
Fairly certain the ASRAAM seeker was partially developed by the US or something and when they left the ASRAAM project to develop the Aim-9X, they took the seeker with them. Iirc, sources for Aim-9X seeker should be usable for ASRAAM and vice versa. At least block 1 Aim-9X, no idea if the seeker changed for block 2 9X
Flame or Gunjob would know either way though
Though this is true, like ARH, they will likely all be the same placeholder seeker and all very weak. Except probably R-74m because its not IIR and thus will be better for “reasons”
they all should basically be identical as far as target aquiring goes.
Fully expecting the non russian ones to have issues still. Its been years and aim 9m is still an unreliable mess so why would it be different with current gen
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The AAM-5 has a total motor section weight of 60kg. Now sure that also includes the steering actuators. But we can still very likely expect it to have somewhere between 35-40kg of fuel. Which given the total mass would be putting the missile at around 1,000 - 1,250 m/s of deltaV, assuming relatively similar ISP to other comparable modern motors.
Even on this lower end, it would be beating stuff like an Aim-9X or IRIS-T in terms of motor performance, and at the higher ends it’d be more directly comparable to things such as the Python-5 or ASRAAM. Although, since the AAM-5 has been claimed to exceed their capabilities specifically, I’m gonna lean more towards its likely more directly equivalent to them.
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R-74M/M2 don’t use seeker shut off.
The R-74M2 uses a dual band, quad section seeker correct? This is the same system the TY-90 uses and it gets both in game.
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Never heard “Quad-section” mentioned before but Multi-element dual band for sure.
Dual band is seeker shutoff by default, and anything multi element or similar is gatewidth, so yeah its getting both in game.
How curious.
I don’t know what the range of AAM-5s or PL-10 will be, but I’d like to throw in the Python 5 for consideration of the worst next-gen IR missile.
Some of you guys have said R-74 and AIM-9X and I’d like to say why it won’t be those.
AIM-9X Block 2 has datalink, thrust-vectoring and 12km range when fired from surface.
IRIS-T also has similar range to 9X but longer thrust-vectoring duration and would not have datalink.
ASRAAM would have range and time-to-target qualities.
R-74M2 is said to have been mounted on Su-35S, has datalink and has increased range over the R-74.
What does Python 5 have in its current implementation? It has less range when surface launched at 10km compared to IRIS-T and AIM-9X Block 2.
Python 5 also does not have thrust-vectoring like IRIS-T and AIM-9X.
Python 5 also lacks datalink.
So it doesn’t even exceed in any areas currently in its implementation compared to some of its other competitors.
Tbf Magic 2 should be dual mode and it’s not modeled in game. Tho Mistral sharing basically the same seeker does have dual mode, but the FOV reduction is basically non existent when looking at datamine, and the missile is not more flare resistant that most other IRCCM missiles
IRIS-T uses a singular IR spectrum array, while the ASRAAM uses bi-spectral arrays. Based on that the ASRAAM should have a stronger seeker. The MICA uses bispectral 2D arrays, so it would be a step better. I believe the latest AIM9X uses similar arrays
But ASRAAM, MICA, Aim-9X, etc etc should all be IIR. We dont know if they will update how they model IIR, but ultimately, they’ll all probably be modeled to be very very similar to each other. There is one exception. R-74, its not IIR. Which means it will probably be the only unique seeker. I will bet you a 100 GE its stronger because “reasons”
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I personally don’t think they will update the seeker models anyways. Seems to me that IIR would be too technically difficult to work with, which is why the current implementation is simply a Seeker shut off + FOV on steroids.
Yeah, I agree, that is what im expecting, but im still expecting a notable difference in performance between “IIR” and dual-mode missiles
eh… not rlly tbf
IRIS-T uses a 128x2 seeker in a staggered array pattern which is scanned by a mirror for 80 fps.
ASRAAM uses a full FPA 128x128 seeker.
9X uses a full 128x128 FPA seeker as well.
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