What’s going on with the M1A2 Abrams?

Stock grind isn’t difficult if you already have apfsds. KEWA2 is an improvement but stop acting like KEW is M774. It has 110mm of more penetration than M829 (which is a stock round for top tier Abrams although it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things).

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KE-W has more pen than DTC10-125, but you still want the mobility mods, smoke, Thermals etc.

Of course and all that is important but I disagree with the premise that stock grind is difficult when you have a really good round. It’s painfully slow yes but if you’re a good player, you’ll get parts&fpe within a game or two

How sad it is to see the forum. Instead of giving opinions and trying to help, you flame and insult each other to see who’s the most useless of all. What I don’t understand is how @kcns isn’t banned for being toxic. It’s absurd that in a game forum where thousands of people participate, this kind of behavior is allowed. He probably has problems or something, but things from home should stay at home.

He derailed the topic by saying that the Abrams is a good tank, and nobody has said otherwise. The issue is that the turret ring is made of paper. I’m tired of it—I came back after a long time, only posted a couple of messages to talk with the community, and it’s the same as always: little kids with no arguments, and on top of that with no experience in what’s being discussed, giving their opinions and insulting when they’re contradicted or when their poor argument is challenged.

I won’t return to the forum; it’s absurd to see how people with white hair on their balls insult each other. Simply pathetic…

PD: Thanks to those of you who have left a sincere opinion, whether for or against the main thread I created, “the Abrams turret needs a revision.”

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M8, this forum has been through this argument thousands of times by now; the Abrams is fine. Great in fact. Bad players suck with it and good players stomp with it. That’s all there is to the story.

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He never said it was a bad tank, he just said the topic was derailed.

I have to agree and disagree. I agree that the PREMUIM Abrams is “bad” because of the player base “aka noobie wallet warriors”, however, top-top tier tanks such as the Abrams sepv2 stats are pretty bad and why is that different than the premium Abrams? Its because these people must have gotten tons of experience already with all the time grinding (unless you spend hundreds of dollars of ge to convert into rp and sl) and are still having a hard time with the tank. Also the Abrams is a good tank but its armor is really the only flaw. I don’t get why with all that weight that it has almost no armor. Especially frontal hull and the turret ring. That’s why the Abrams suck.

Because all that extra weight comes from the crews because american are fat /s

Click Bait’s stats during the past several months are neck and neck when compared to HC’s, it’s TT equivalent, so premium vehicles having atrocious performances because of wallet warriors is one of the many myths on this forum.

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yes and I think its one of the more accurate ones and the Abrams having no armor

This premium myth definitely isn’t accurate.
Abrams also has armor.

The tech tree HC has stayed a notch above the three M1A1s you can buy, Click-Bait/Weeb-Bait/AIM, I don’t think it’s a myth, it’s only part of the problem.

Those two are regularly trading blows with TT HC, so I don’t think it has anything to do with premium players being atrocious. Other high tier premiums suggest the same thing.

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you have no evidence to support that. And if its inaccurate, why are the stats so bad?? Yeah no kidding it has armor but it acts like it has no armor

To support what ?
That premium vehicles are performing up to par with their TT copies ?

It’s performing better because Chinese TT players are, on average, better. That’s why vehicles like the Leclerc, Merkava, and Ariete are 12.3+ when they shouldn’t be above 12.0 in their current state.

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they are not thought thats the problem. But if so, why do tanks like the sepv2 have horrid stats even though those people must be experienced?

It’s a rethoric question, is more than obvious that the M1A2T Abrams would perform much better than M1A2 Abrams SepV2. Vehicles are moved based on data not how they perform in reality and compared to their counterparts, see some french vehicles, although some could easily move in battle rating, see french DF105 in comparison to the german DF105 for example.

But they are.

Well, the Chinese M1A2T, which is either on par or ever so slightly worse than the SEPv2 (I would argue that the SEPv2 is better, but it’s so slightly that saying it’s on par is also fine), has among the best stats at 12.7.

Part of this can be attributed to the more skilled multi nation players being the first to get the M1A2T, but it’s also partially because US players are major nation mains who are often not very good at the game.

Sure the 2A7s/122s still easily beat the Abrams (unlike what some nation mains want you to believe), but the SEPv2 is still easily a top 5 or top 10 MBT (depending if you want to rank all Leo 2A7s/Strv 122s as seperate vehicles or just all grouped as 1 entry). Saying that it sucks is absolutely wild.

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