and do what? just run away? keep in mind that the r-73 has actual range, its not a short range missile
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US mains when they can’t just easily kill any plane a full BR higher than them ^
many planes wish they have this luxury to just ignore something a full bracket above them and fly safely
again, you just don’t have to get within its range
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I mean thats kinda the whole BR range-
Probably due to lower rewards I imagine, vikhr pods are kinda crazy for ground pounding score. No tpod also means no funny kh25ml ghetto fox1 kills.
R73 without hmd isnt particullary scary, just dont turn hard when you flare or let them get a side/top/down aspect shot on you while too low energy to pull in, same as magic 2.
I get a lot people aren’t used to irccm missiles at that bracket but its something you’ll have to learn eventually and 2 of them on a subsonic with no hmd or radar (su39 can offbore with the pod) is gonna be the easiest to learn off of instead of running away.
Lack of IRCM
Lack of Vikhrs
No TGP
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Forgot it didnt get dazzlers thats probably the main reason lol.
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Vikhrs are also very powerful at AA as they are essentially unflareable (plus it gets an internal TGP)
Are some of you guys seriously arguing why the SU-25BM should REMAIN at 11.0? Do you guys realise that the A-7K which itself flies worse than the SU-25 only rocks 2x AIM-9Ls at a higher BR of 11.3?
This thing should absolutely be moved up to 11.3, the fact this is two BR steps below the Tornado GR.1 is absolutely diabolical lmao.
In no world is this thing on par with a SU-22M3, it gets both R-60MKs and R-73s and not to mention its amazing countermeasure count
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They really only work in headon, dont pull enough I find otherwise and dont keep their speed like kh25. Not sure the values but feel like vikhrs pull 2-3g and kh25 like 5-6.
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what can a flareless plane do to a r73 equipped frogfoot? you cant even fool the missile with a well placed zuni, there is literally NOTHING you can do to an aware player in this situation
and do WHAT? go j out? wait until the su25 ground pounds and wins on tickets?
do you really not see any problems with high performance irccm missiles meeting flareless planes
almost every nation has a plane at 10.0 or higher with no flares, so your snarky poke at US players means nothing
i wonder what that draken i shot down thinks about this
I find the repetition of the exact same arguments used previously for other blatantly undertiered attack aircraft presented here amusing. These arguments were presented when the A-10A fought early supersonics, and when the R-60M slinging Su-25 fought F-86s.
“It has no HMD/Radar/jammer!”
“Just don’t fly too close to one!”
“Americans bad!”
“Stop turning with it!”
“The plane isn’t fast enough to make the missiles dangerous!”
All aspect missiles (even bad ones) against flareless jets is already pretty bad, but adding TVC and IRCCM (so they can’t even use rocket flare strat) is just ridiculous. Boadly comparable A-7K with worse missiles is higher BR, that should be argument enough to uptier the Su-25BM.
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you didnt answer him, and do what?
you also don’t ever have to takeoff, or get score, or get kills, or do anything, and you won’t if your strategy to play a plane is to simply not exist within another planes sphere.
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How many planes dont have flares at 10.0+? And in that case I would just stay away, and you are gonna suffer to a lot more than r73 in a uptier and usually against planes you cant stay away from. Any radar missile cant be rocket flared and forces you to be glued to deck.
Also I dont have or care if it gets moved to 11.3, but it is def worse than the 11.3 ones.
F-4C
F-105D
F-4F Early
Su-17M2
F-1
F-104J
Mirage IIIC
F-8E(FN)
Mirage 5F
J35D
Shahak
Nesher
And you will be going to include some 9.7BR jets if it gets buffed down to 10.7
MiG-23BN
Jaguar GR.1
T-2/Early
Milan
If anyone wanted that moved down to 10.7 they might have brain damage lol.
Su-25BM itself might have insufficient flight characteristics to be in 11.0BR if we consider counterparts like MiG-21bis.
And it might be the truth that Gaijin generally overrates the BR of strike aircraft by reason of ‘ground grinding capability’, which Fighter-Bomber also can do and usually does nothing to win a match in the current ARB meta.
But still, as long as it retains two R-73… Thanks to R-73, Su-25BM can’t go any lower…
Right?
Ya, also my poor tornado at 11.7 :(
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Ignore it or go in a head on and fire an IR missile at the R73
Russian mains complained about the same thing with the A10C, (almost half the speed of the su25 btw) having irccm missiles, the fact is its just aids for any flareless plane to deal with all aspect missiles.
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Just got the J35D, I can confirm I am losing my sanity