Leopard 2s should absolutely not have M830A1 as they don’t use them in any way, and a test fire is not nearly a good enough reason for them to be given it, otherwise, Abrams should have access to all German ammunition as well (and M60s should have DM63)
like Abrams already said, do you have proof that the Abrams test fired DM63 tc?
If a document describing NATO ammo compatibility test firing procedures of M830A1, M829 etc. from the Leopard 2s is enough to add them to the Leopard 2s in-game, then the same document should be good enough to confirm that all 120 mm NATO ammo is compatible with each country’s tanks, meaning the Abrams should easily be able to fire 105 mm DM63, 120 mm DM53 etc.
Note how the document makes NO mention of German or Swedish Leopard 2s firing any of the US ammunition, how the ammo was only test fired to check the compatibility of the systems and how the test wouldn’t have been conducted without the US - meaning they supplied their own ammunition for the DANISH and DUTCH Leopards, instead of those countries procuring the rounds themselves to see if they are fit for service.
That document SHOULD NOT be accepted for possible addition of M830A1 to the in-game Leopard 2s, as they didn’t test them on German or Swedish Leopards, and even if they didn’t, they weren’t tested for service use. If the M830A1 and other US ammo isn’t added to Leopard 2s, then of course, DM63 and similar shouldn’t be added to US.
Hopefully you’ll also make a suggestion for the US M60s and Abrams getting 105 mm DM33, DM63 and 120 mm DM53 due to the reasons I’ve written above, unless you have some further proof that the in-game Leopard 2s extensively tested M830A1?
compability doesnt mean it fired them, it is a fact that leopards fired them those they are acceptable, same for air armament if an aircraft fired a specfic missle or bomb it is acceptable to be added to the game, look at the pgm2000
Your comment also implies that even if the German and Swedish Leopard 2s are compatible with M830A1, seeing as per that document they didn’t fire them, they shouldn’t get them, because it being compatible doesn’t mean it fired them.
So, removing documents etc, I speak raising my hands, maybe at the moment the developers don’t want to introduce them into the game, because they would prove to be too OP for the tanks at the moment, could you give me the DM63 penetrations, please?
And in any case, MPAT rounds don’t seem to me, I speak out of ignorance, that they can penetrate meters of armour, but I would propose them, mainly, to shoot down helicopters
Perhaps more powerful shots could be proposed when Abrams Sep.3 or 4 tanks, leopard 7 or 8 tanks, etc. are added.
Obviously I’m just talking, not advising or anything, that maybe MPAT rounds could be introduced, at the moment, as anti-helicopter rounds and that’s it, maybe they could be used with the rangefinder
At the moment
The problem isn’t the performance of M830A1 against tanks or helicopters, the problem is that the Leopard 2s we have in-game did not fire and did not use M830A1, and it should stay that way. The document linked at the beginning of the thread proves nothing.
M830A1 is unique to the US, they made the round, and they are the only user of this round from the nations currently available in-game. This should not change as it would remove the uniqueness of the Abrams’ capability to defend against helicopters, something which other countries lack because they didn’t produce such systems IRL.
I really don’t care about US getting DM63, but I do care for the rounds THEY developed to REMAIN only on their tanks, seeing as no other country is using M830A1.
So let’s eliminate the possibility for Italy to have shots in general, since they were created in Germany, they are imported from Germany etc.
Well, I don’t know much about Italy, I saw that some users said they didn’t use DM53, and if that’s true, it definitely should be removed and the vehicle downtiered.
But the AMV, in that case, also got DM53 for balance purpose, as you are using APFSDS in 99% of your gameplay in top tier tanks, while facing other tanks. M830A1 isn’t necessary to add for balance purposes, as there is only one use for it, and that is destroying helicopters, mostly at the beginning of the match.
For these reasons, it is not the same comparing APFSDS you are constantly using to destroy other tanks throughout the whole match, versus a HEATFS round that you very rarely use only to destroy helicopters, mostly at the start of the match, if they even spawn.
Danish Leopard 2A5 and Dutch Leopard 2A6 have conducted test fire of US ammunition, and M830A1 was included in the test.
What you are saying would not make sense, if all the shells, tanks, aircrafts etc, that are not produced by a specific nation, but imported or produced under license, then we start removing the other nations and we keep only the first 4. Just like the story of the bullets, War Thunder might as well not exist directly or that 3/4 of the vehicles in the game are prototypes or blueprints on paper
Okay, is there a rule made by the Gaijin that says, “that bullets tested by a nation can be included in that nation”, or something like that?
If I were to find tests conducted by the nation with that shell for that specific tank, can it be introduced?
What do you want more than that? There are already two sites, that of the manufacturer and this X, which give me the exact same information
Can I open a hint to have Ariete add this type of shot? M339
Anyway, I don’t want to sound rude or disrespectful, I just wish Italians have a shot they USE, that they can add to their inventory
Yes, and I’m saying that the German or Swedish Leopard 2s have not been proved to be able to fire the ammunition as they did not participate in the test, therefore, they should not get the ammunition.
Otherwise, the Abrams should get German and Swedish ammunition because if the Leos get M830A1, with which they are compatible despite not firing it in the test, then the Abrams is also naturally compatible with their ammunition and should get it as well, despite not firing in the test - as the whole point of the test was to check compatibility between the 120 mm NATO ammunition.
Besides that, the test was NOT for using M830A1 as a service round, so I don’t see how that document in any way proves that the German and Swedish Leopards could and should have M830A1. They shouldn’t.
Tell me, what cannon does the Abrams use?
Why do you ask it to me? What I’m talking about is specific to the M830A1 round, so suggestion of whatever else is your decision. If you have sufficient references, than there will be no problem forwarding the suggestion.