that’s how it was intended to be released in the first place no? the new one’s highlight should be the ERs and ETs for now, then when we get far ahaed enough the SMT’s highlight will be R77s
the MiG-29 9-12 and 9-13 should get their ERs removed and get their normal Rs and Ts with R-73s included. sayin this as a ruski main
u mean just like this thread is already proposing https://forum.warthunder.com/t/german-mig-29-r-27er-for-r-73/22275/12 ?
I support
no it’s… not?
I’m =WoVi= IrohNick.
I have the MiG-29 spaded and the Yak-141 with all the performance mods. researchin the ground attack stuff now
i retract my statement, seems i got fckd by thunderskill, i cross checked on WT and yeah ur right im sorry.
R-27ER > R-73 imo.
Normal R-27R is just anemic compared to other SARH missiles, and since you get 2 your BVR capabilites are severely diminished. The trade is idiotic.
Best course of action? Give them both and just move them to 12.3
but that’s the thing, I prefer the 9-13 to be weaker so it can stay at 12.0 and the SMT could be the “powerful” one
later down the line the 9-13 could get the R-27 ER and ET… when the 9-19 gets the R-77. see my thought proccess?
kinda MiG-21 F-13 → MiG-21SMT kind of deal
Then limit the Russian one, give R-73 to the German one.
Simple. I don’t mind the DDR 29 being 12.3
but the german one never had ERs and ETs because they never were sold to them tho…
and the 9-12 I feel like would have better performance than the SMT so I heavily dislike a Borrowed mig being better than the literal standard issued.
9-12 should get the R-73 but have the ERs and ETs clipped too
but the german one never had ERs and ETs because they never were sold to them tho…
Okay? BVM also never had thermals with “3rd generation” resolution either, wanna do it both ways? BMP-2M with imaginary APFSDS (lol) comes to mind as well.
and the 9-12 I feel like would have better performance than the SMT so I heavily dislike a Borrowed mig being better than the literal standard issued.
What do you even mean by “borrowed”?
9-12 should get the R-73 but have the ERs and ETs clipped too
Nah, both. I’d rather my jet is future-proofed since we won’t be getting EFT for a long ass time.
bet you know better, about the BVM and the BMP-2M lmfao. because you totally worked with them.
anyway the Gripen is coming relavitely soon… F-15, Su-27 and most likely Eurofighter too. I expect it to come in at least the next 2 or maximum 3 major updates.
the 9-12 should stay on R73s, and 27Rs and Ts until Fox 3s, then it should get ERs and ETs, same time as the 9-13.
the 9-19 should stay on ERs and ETs until the R77, at which point the whole thing will change.
and I mean “Borrowed” as in not russian. german. it is not supposed to be as strong as the russian one. ERs and ETs back then were top of the line and russia wasnt sharin’. except maybe Belarus
bet you know better, about the BVM and the BMP-2M lmfao. because you totally worked with them.
Info on both is publicly available so quit your cope.
anyway the Gripen is coming relavitely soon… F-15, Su-27 and most likely Eurofighter too. I expect it to come in at least the next 2 or maximum 3 major updates.
EFT is better than all 3 by a large margin, I don’t see it coming anytime soon.
and I mean “Borrowed” as in not russian. german. it is not supposed to be as strong as the russian one. ERs and ETs back then were top of the line and russia wasnt sharin’. except maybe Belarus
They were literally in German service lmao, and who says they are not supposed to be as good? A ruski main… mate, last time we fought you lost to me when I was flying with R-27R1s against your R-27ERs.
Like, what do you think this is?
right. publicly available.
the eurofighter is… an equivalent at best. it’s nowhere near the performance of a Su-27.
the picture you provided is a R-27R1. so no, they were not in german service.
and we literally never fought so I have no idea what the fuck are you on about.
the only time I know a german MiG-29 was fighting against me with R1s was when I was forced to 2v1 in a shitty “milsim” server that turned out to be the most pitiful attempt of creating one I’ve witnessed in the last decade.
so yeah no 2 planes against one win lmfao.
anyway I’m gonna stop replying to you since if you indeed are who I think you are, I remember very well you have the brain capacity of a jellyfish. have a good day and go stroke your ego some more in a “milsim” server or something.
the eurofighter is… an equivalent at best. it’s nowhere near the performance of a Su-27.
Right. Lets ignore; better radar, better armament, better flight performance - actually lets also ignore that it actually has AESA and Su-27 doesn’t.
the picture you provided is a R-27R1. so no, they were not in german service.
Already changing the goalpost away from the MiG itself to the missile…
It is realistic? If it is go ahead
very much so tbh
the ERs were mounted on the Su-27 platform mainly, and were used on the MiG-29 platform in cases of emergency. the whole point of the MiG-29 was to be a cheap and reliable airbase defense fighter and affordable light short range interceptor with exceptional capabilities. that being said I’m saying this should be done because it would make a lot more sense than giving the 9-13 and 9-12 R-60Ms (worse armament in their primary role) and ERs (better armament in their secondary role)
